General Election - 4th July 2024

Who will you be voting for in the General Election?

  • Labour

    Votes: 266 56.8%

  • Conservative

    Votes: 12 2.6%

  • Liberal Democrat

    Votes: 40 8.5%

  • Reform

    Votes: 71 15.2%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 28 6.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 51 10.9%
  • Total voters
    468
Churchlawtonblue said:
Whether it's new or not is surely a moot point?

Can I ask you this Bob, if a person in whatever country, just thinks the rate of net immigration into their country is simply happening too fast, due to services schools health care and housing not keeping up with demand, does that make them a racist?
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Services, schools and health care etc pretty much run on immigrant labour. These sectors are among the main drivers of immigration. Remove services, education and health care and you would remove these drivers. So, not sure I understand the argument. Do you want services run properly? Education? Healthcare? Immigration is driven by need and demand. If the UK didn’t need the labour then immigration would be low.

That was the selling point of Brexit - immigration solely based on what we need. And that is precisely what we are getting. Immigration levels based on demand and need.
 
west didsblue said:
You draw the line by not comparing someone being proactive in causing a situation that costs the country a fortune with someone being reactive to the situation that’s been caused. It’s not difficult.
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Would be a fair point if TCI’s actions had actually caused the downfall of RBS. But they didn’t. Not in the slightest.

Worth noting that 95% of RBS shareholders approved the deal with ABN, and that the UK government did nothing to deter the deal, even though they knew RBS was already in a precarious position around its funding. Was TCI behind all that as well?

So throwing around blanket accusations of making the country poorer, irrespective of what somebody actually did or didn’t do, is just a nonsense because lots of people can be targeted in that way.
 
BobKowalski said:
Services, schools and health care etc pretty much run on immigrant labour. These sectors are among the main drivers of immigration. Remove services, education and health care and you would remove these drivers. So, not sure I understand the argument. Do you want services run properly? Education? Healthcare? Immigration is driven by need and demand. If the UK didn’t need the labour then immigration would be low.

That was the selling point of Brexit - immigration solely based on what we need. And that is precisely what we are getting. Immigration levels based on demand and need.
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Who do these people who want to hugely reduce immigration think we’re going to get the people to do those roles? There simply aren’t enough of them. It’s simple maths.
 
BobKowalski said:
Services, schools and health care etc pretty much run on immigrant labour. These sectors are among the main drivers of immigration. Remove services, education and health care and you would remove these drivers. So, not sure I understand the argument. Do you want services run properly? Education? Healthcare? Immigration is driven by need and demand. If the UK didn’t need the labour then immigration would be low.

That was the selling point of Brexit - immigration solely based on what we need. And that is precisely what we are getting. Immigration levels based on demand and need.
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I realise that, but if you dont grow those services they still come under more pressure. Housing is more acute demand is consistently outstripping supply is it not? OK there are other reasons that play into the lack of affordable housing but a growing population is undoubtedly the main one.

However in essence based on your answer, it seems you do think that anyone who thinks the rate of immigration into their country is too great is a racist. Is that correct?
 
bluenova said:
I'm certain it's not everyone - but there's a pretty strong connection.

I posted this yesterday. Voters were allowed to choose just the three most important issues that affected their vote.

With Reform, immigration is a massive outlier. And of all the parties, they're least concerned about the economy, healthcare, housing and education.

Yet, the seats where Farage, Anderson and Tice are standing, are some of the whitest in the country. At the last census, they were all around 96% white, compared with 81% for the UK as a whole.


There may be many explanations why people, who don't mean many immigrants, believe immigrants are the biggest issue in their lives, but racism would certainly be up there.
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To be fair, they could be thinking of the country as a whole rather than just their local area.

Im on the left, will be voting Labour, but even I can accept that there is an issue with immigration its just not the biggest priority in my opinion with all the other shite that needs sorting
 
hilts said:
Nah the water companies put actual shit in our rivers and seas 6000 times in a year but the great British plebs are more upset with gdp being weak or not paying a couple of quid more tax.

Priorities and that.
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The great British pleb, as you define some voters, sees stories about actual shit being put in rivers 6,000 times a year and stops reading. They don't question why it happens.
Under investing in leak prevention, poor performance at treatment sites and excessive dividends to investors are of no interest.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I realise that, but if you dont grow those services they still come under more pressure. Housing is more acute demand is consistently outstripping supply is it not? OK there are other reasons that play into the lack of affordable housing but a growing population is undoubtedly the main one.

However in essence based on your answer, it seems you do think that anyone who thinks the rate of immigration into their country is too great is a racist. Is that correct?
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That would be one assumption as there are no practical or economic arguments to assert immigration is too high. Immigration is driven by demand and needs of the economy therefore ‘too high’ is a meaningless argument. Too high by what measure? People are coming here to do jobs that we need filling for the economy to function. The end.
 
BobKowalski said:
That would be one assumption as there are no practical or economic arguments to assert immigration is too high. Immigration is driven by demand and needs of the economy therefore ‘too high’ is a meaningless argument. Too high by what measure? People are coming here to do jobs that we need filling for the economy to function. The end.
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It’s not the end though is it! If only it were that simple.
 
inchy14 said:
Had a staff member tell me yesterday that he’s voting reform. When I asked why he said to keep the immigrants out. When I pointed out the 2 other staff stood next to him were from Portugal and Spain and wouldn’t be welcome under reform he told me

“But these 2 are ok”

So what he really means are all the Asians who arrive here that he doesn’t want, therefore I conclude he’s fucking racist.
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It's quite common for those who dislike people of colour in general, to make exceptions in favour of the Earl and Abdul they happen to know personally. To say that Etta, the black nurse they know, is fine. But in some parts of the country, you are far less likely to know a black person personally than you are in Manchester. You won't realise that you can have as good a laugh with Errol in the pub as you can with Joe.

There are also strange areas of blindness. I know someone who is pretty obsessed with Asian paedophile gangs. When I give him a long list of white paedophiles, starting with Jimmy Savile and Cyril Smith, he just makes a strange noise at the back of his throat which seems to mean:'I hear you but I don't hear you.'
 
CTID1988 said:
To be fair, they could be thinking of the country as a whole rather than just their local area.

Im on the left, will be voting Labour, but even I can accept that there is an issue with immigration its just not the biggest priority in my opinion with all the other shite that needs sorting
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That seems unusually empathetic, bearing in mind they are not as concerned about other issues.

Would it not be an even greater indication of racism, that people who don't see as many immigrants are more concerned about them, than people who live in more mixed communities?
 
East Level 2 said:
The great British pleb, as you define some voters, sees stories about actual shit being put in rivers 6,000 times a year and stops reading. They don't question why it happens.
Under investing in leak prevention, poor performance at treatment sites and excessive dividends to investors are of no interest.
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Really everyone I spoke with blame the water companies
 
Worsleyweb said:
It’s not the end though is it! If only it were that simple.
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It is that simple. Supply and demand. The economy demands labour. Whether that labour is supplied internally, externally or - as it has been for the last century or so, a mix of both, the economy doesn’t care.

Irish navvies, West Indian nurses or whoever, this argument has been replayed to death and the result is always the same. So, welcome to multi-cultural Britain and expect more of the same.
 
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