General Election - December 12th, 2019

[The perfect fumble]

I dont want an apology!
I want the hundreds of Labour party members censored/ suspended /banned for their ONLINE AND/OR PERSONAL ABUSE of any jewish person, Labour party worker or Labour MP who dares to criticise the Labour party, comrade Corbyn or other Labour official about the systemic failure of the Labour party in dealing with antisemitism.
Pick any jew who stands up for their faith or other Jews and against the abuse they receive and look at their twitter feeds it's not long before the abuse kicks in.

Of course....



I am a Jewish Labour member, and the Chief Rabbi's claims about anti-Semitism are based on a view of the party I don't recognise

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-labour-anti-semitism-chief-rabbi-jewish-member-1326628

 

[Vic]

Which produced the most successful Labour governments ever, which (although I am not their biggest fan) did very many good things for poorer people and for public services.

And which Corbyn then regarded with total disgust, and voted against at every opportunity. Says a lot, doesn't it.

Says a lot about your obsession.

I would have said that's just not true but I suspect it is, in fact, a lie. (That Corbyn voted at every opportunity against the good things Labour did.)
https://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.ph...slington_North&house=commons&display=allvotes

(NB "rebellion" includes free votes where the majority of Labour MPs voted differently, not just votes against the Labour whip.)

 

[Vic]

When did I say it was "an example of empiricle evidence of jewish opinion"?

It's where I investigated the claims being made and learned more about the issues being raised given I have access to them due to family members. Other media outlets soon confirmed the claims. There's also the Panorama investigation for your disposal.

Let's turn it around, which publications can you cite that invalidates the claims being made by Jewish Labour members? Because you seem to be very "dismissive" of the claims being made.

Straight up, do you believe Labour has an anti-semitism problem? If not, cite your sources you acknowledge to dispute the claims.

https://www.plutobooks.com/9781786805720/bad-news-for-labour/

Click look inside.

The campaign has been very effective.

From a Survation survey:
Asked of the 62% of people who said they'd heard about the accusations of anti-semitism:
"From what you have seen or heard, what percentage of Labour Party members do you think have had complaints of anti- semitism made against them?"
The result of this was that, on average, they believed that 34 per cent of Labour Party members had had complaints of anti-semitism made against them.

Of course we need the usual disclaimer that this doesn't mean there isn't a problem, just that it's in some people's political interest to make the most of it while ignoring racism in their own ranks.

 

[Vic]

It doesn’t matter, what are they gonna do? Throw them out of the election?

And as far as the public go, they don’t care. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, he could do to lose the Brexit vote. Nothing - it’s Brexit at all costs and see what happens after that.

The rest is just noise. None of it matters

Oh I don't know.

Why will your life be better if we leave the EU? Would you rather leave the EU or continue to have free medical treatment (as you get older)?

 

[Vic]

It's a forum, not a doctor's office, and I am permitted to answer any question I wish. Are you still dissatisfied?

I could give more clarification. I personally identify as "saxon" over jewish given the choice, but cannot deny my heritage, through my mother's side, her mother and grandmother. I've never been a practicing jew but some family members have. I consider my leanings more atuned to Germanic Paganism, Odin, Thor, that kind of thing.

There now, now we can be friends again.

Bit too Wagnerian for an anti-semitism discussion, I'd have thought.

Absolutely serious questions -

1/ how do you know how bad it is? What evidence has given you that impression other than that you will have read in the Mail, Telegraph etc? Are you Jewish or do you have many Jewish friends? Are you and they all Labour Party members?
2/ Who reports that half of British Jews would leave? Again the sources? That would be about 1% of the population - 6.6m people seriously going to leave? Where will they go? Israel? Can Israel cope with that number of immigrants "overnight"? Bear in mind post Brexit their freedom of movement in the EU finishes. Getting into the States and now famously places like Australia if you don't score the points is a no-no.

Bot yanking your chain fella I have observed your concern and would be interested to know what empirical evidence you base you dearly held views on?

Problem with the maths there I think...

The crazy thing is that it's racism emboldened by Brexit and some of Johnson's rhetoric (and May's hostile environment) that's more responsible for any attacks on Jews than anything on the left.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

And BTW, if you think Swinson would rather put Corbyn into No. 10 instead of Boris, you may be in for a bit of a surprise when Boris offers her a second referendum.

If Boris announces that policy to the world he'd probably get a majority of over a hundred.

 

[inbetween]

https://www.plutobooks.com/9781786805720/bad-news-for-labour/

Click look inside.

The campaign has been very effective.

From a Survation survey:

Asked of the 62% of people who said they'd heard about the accusations of anti-semitism:

"From what you have seen or heard, what percentage of Labour Party members do you think have had complaints of anti- semitism made against them?"

The result of this was that, on average, they believed that 34 per cent of Labour Party members had had complaints of anti-semitism made against them.

Of course we need the usual disclaimer that this doesn't mean there isn't a problem, just that it's in some people's political interest to make the most of it while ignoring racism in their own ranks.

I think the problem isn't limited to Labour as a party but rather it's support. You see tons of it on Twitter every single day but obviously those people may not be members.

I don't think that Labour supporters nor members are actually anti-semitic, they just believe in a conspiracy theory which they forget is an anti-semitic sterotype.

Corbyn is the same, last year he attended passover to prove a point but it wasn't with the general Jewish community, it was with Jewdas.

Why would you separate the Jewish people you will mix with by their views on Israel?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Knowing little about this period of politics, being a mere sprog at the time, does that mean John Smith was behind the New Labour idea, or is that still uniquely Blairs?

From memory, Smith was a breath of fresh air for Labour, and was an intelligent, engaging man who was well capable
of swaying the all important floating voters to his cause. He most certainly bore no political resemblance to the eternal
class war, Marxist inspired crackpot they've got running the show now.

 

[Ban-jani]

So, if Corbyn says (as I do, in fact) that he ABHORS all types of racism, then that's not enough?!! I must be racist too, by that definition!

Again, you're ANOTHER one that refuses to note that Corbyn HAS apologised before, more than once!! You just don't want to hear it as it doesn't fit your "not fit" narrative!

You're a patsy. You're spoon fed bullshit by the Tories and love the taste!

He's no more AS than I am.

You’re being spoon fed the bullshit Corbyn is telling the public, not me.

One thing I detest about the far left is the insinuation that the only reason antisemitism is a problem is because the media are involved in making it so.

I’ll ask you again, did you watch the panorama documentary, where they spoke to the fucking team in Labour tasked with dealing with antisemitism?

Because if you did, you’d know that the Labour leadership intervened on more than one occasion to let people who have said the most grotesque stuff, off the hook.

Jennie Formby, who the leadership appointed, ended up forcing many of that team to quit and the Team Leader became suicidal because of the moral disgrace that was taking place.



Here’s a history of Jeremy Corbyn’s anti-Jewish behaviour.

You think that just because he apologised once in July 2018, despite refusing to now, all is forgiven? Is it fuck.

I think if this was black people on the end of this discrimination, you’d change your fucking tune very quickly but because it’s Jews, well they should get out of the way of the grand masters plan to push socialism.

 

[Ban-jani]

You're last line is spot on....as for the rest of it have a word with yourself

Why don’t you try and say what’s wrong with it rather than these utterly shit vague posts?

I can tell you’re not a clever person but at least try.