General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Ban-jani]

You seem to have answered your own question.

If it means you’re against the religion itself then I am Islamophobic.

If it means I discriminate against Muslims then I’m not at all.

If it means both then I’m part Islamophobic.

Nobody has accurately described what it actually means.

 

[Ban-jani]

He's apologised enough times, that should be enough!

End of story, end of matter, job done! The lawyers are on the case, just like Shami Chakrabarti once did, who declared publicly, that the Labour Party does not have a problem with anti-semitism, and was rewarded with a peerage.

Panorama is just another example of the right-wing media conspiracy to use fake antisemitism claims to discredit Corbyn and Labour! And how credible are the ECHR, really?

These lot are dangerous mate.

 

[SWP's back]

@Len Rum what do we make of the polls fella?

Any hope left or is all lost?

 

[Ban-jani]

Absolutely serious questions -

1/ how do you know how bad it is? What evidence has given you that impression other than that you will have read in the Mail, Telegraph etc? Are you Jewish or do you have many Jewish friends? Are you and they all Labour Party members?
2/ Who reports that half of British Jews would leave? Again the sources? That would be about 1% of the population - 6.6m people seriously going to leave? Where will they go? Israel? Can Israel cope with that number of immigrants "overnight"? Bear in mind post Brexit their freedom of movement in the EU finishes. Getting into the States and now famously places like Australia if you don't score the points is a no-no.

Bot yanking your chain fella I have observed your concern and would be interested to know what empirical evidence you base you dearly held views on?

1. Because there are thousands of complaints not dealt with and the leadership has actively intervened to stop some going through. The rhetoric and behaviour from Corbyn and the party against Israel, often siding with extremists on the other side, has meant this wave has gone through. The Panorama documentary that spoke to many inside the party, often who’s job it was to deal with tasks, said the problem is an epidemic.

Please don’t fucking accuse me of believing anything I read in the press. For the record I read nearly every newspaper on my lunch to get a balance and take everything with a pinch of salt. It’s a terrible tactic you lot play.

What does it matter if I’m Jewish or not? Are you going to ask me if I’m Israeli next?

Would you ask someone appalled at racism towards black people if they were black?

2. The polls have, 100,000’s have been polled over the last few years and it’s returned shocking figures. Most will try Israel and if they can’t they will go anywhere they can that’s safer than a Labour led government here. Israel try and take as many as they can to ensure their safety anyway so many will probably get in. But if you’re British and you wish to move, you normally fit many criteria’s.

Surely the point is them wanting to go though? Surely!

 

[Vic]

Having never been a Brexit supporter, I've never bothered to read anything from Dominic Cummings, but just now, I did. From his blog, I read this:

"I know why many are tempted to vote for Corbyn. Under Cameron and May, there were some big decisions about priorities that were wrong. Most importantly, from summer 2016 Hammond repeatedly blocked cash for the NHS and other services. In 2016 people voted for change — the Conservative Party didn’t hear that properly before the referendum and they didn’t hear it properly after the referendum.

But Boris did hear the demand for change and he will deliver it.

Those of us from the Vote Leave team would never have gone to No10 to help if Boris hadn’t told us that he is determined to change the Conservative Party — change its priorities and change its focus so it really serves the whole country. Most of us were not ‘party people’. For us, parties are a means to an end — a means to improve lives.

If we win a majority, we will do all we can to improve this country — and especially for those who don’t have lots of money, who are surrounded by bad choices of school, who can’t afford a private doctor if their family is sick. Westminster has let the whole country down for many years. As VL said during the referendum — it’s time for change.

If we get a working majority, the Conservative Party will be very different. Grieve and similar characters will be gone. We will have seats in the Midlands and North that have been neglected by all parties. The party and the government will have to change radically."

Who knows whether the above is true, but I hope it is. It is a vision of hope of a better Britain under the Tories. I hope we can deliver it.

Classic illustration of "the triumph of hope over experience"

 

[Ancient Citizen]

It's almost like putting a CND protestor at the heart of nuclear policy and then telling them to do what is best for the country and not themselves.

Corbyn is vice president of CND, he's,unsurprisingly, been a member since he was 15, a position completely at odds
with the position of PM, and the reason Labour are now in the simply ludicrous situation of publicly stating they will be keeping
Trident, but have an idiot as leader also publicly stating he'd never use it.
Even despite Brexit, the bloke hasn't really got much going for him.

 

[Vic]

It is the extreme protestive nature of Corbyns Labour that people find most unpalatable.

It's almost like putting a CND protestor at the heart of nuclear policy and then telling them to do what is best for the country and not themselves.

That makes no sense. Put me in charge of nuclear policy and I'll say "this present MAD policy is not a good one for the country". I suppose the next thing is that you'd tell me I'm being patronising by knowing what's best for the country.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

From memory, Smith was a breath of fresh air for Labour, and was an intelligent, engaging man who was well capable
of swaying the all important floating voters to his cause. He most certainly bore no political resemblance to the eternal
class war, Marxist inspired crackpot they've got running the show now.

IMHO smith would have made a fine PM

 

[Vic]

The future Prime Minister. A fucking disgrace but we all know what he's about, no surprise there, its the Opposition I am most disappointed with

"I have people to deal with this sort of matter."

McDonnell just pointed out that he's stalling even though postal voting has already started.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Says a lot about your obsession.

I would have said that's just not true but I suspect it is, in fact, a lie. (That Corbyn voted at every opportunity against the good things Labour did.)
https://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.ph...slington_North&house=commons&display=allvotes

(NB "rebellion" includes free votes where the majority of Labour MPs voted differently, not just votes against the Labour whip.)

There are truly none so blind as cannot see, and someone has gouged your fucking eyes out pal.