General Election - December 12th, 2019

[west didsblue]

14% in the poll I’ve seen. Maybe, just maybe, the British people want to leave the EU.

They’re still only on 35%, and with the BXP it’s still well under 50%, so maybe not.

 

[Len Rum]

He voted against May's deal twice and for it once. Better to be accurate.

Thanks Lar.
Carm down.Carm down.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Amber Rudd gone.
Will there be any Tories left to stand in a GE?

 

[Summerbuzz]

14% in the poll I’ve seen. Maybe, just maybe, the British people want to leave the EU.

No, it has to be more complicated than that. I've not seen a single poll on any question that boils down to leave vs remain, where leave has had a lead, not for at least a year.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...n-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/

there are a tonne of other polls on that site, and many more on others. remain has had a small but utterly consistent lead in all of them.

 

[west didsblue]

No, it has to be more complicated than that. I've not seen a single poll on any question that boils down to leave vs remain, where leave has had a lead, not for at least a year.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...n-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/

there are a tonne of other polls on that site, and many more on others. remain has had a small but utterly consistent lead in all of them.

Agreed. It’s surprisingly consistent at around 54:46 in favour of Remain. The big fluctuations are between the Tories and BXP, and between Labour and Lib Dems.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

No, it has to be more complicated than that. I've not seen a single poll on any question that boils down to leave vs remain, where leave has had a lead, not for at least a year.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...n-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/

there are a tonne of other polls on that site, and many more on others. remain has had a small but utterly consistent lead in all of them.

I think the latest poll of polls I saw bears this out but has about 8% undecided. Figures almost identical now to what they 2 weeks before the referendum.

Odd tones we live in

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

If the brexit parry stand down in conservative must win seats the conservatives will win the election.

Labours vote is split by the Lib Dem’s now. I’d also say the working class are abandoning labour in their droves and either just not voting or voting the brexit party

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

No, it has to be more complicated than that. I've not seen a single poll on any question that boils down to leave vs remain, where leave has had a lead, not for at least a year.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...n-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/

there are a tonne of other polls on that site, and many more on others. remain has had a small but utterly consistent lead in all of them.

The problem with polls is that a lot of voters. In particular leave voters don’t answer polls

 

[Rascal]

Marginal Cheadle has become a "left behind town" in order to benefit from Tory pork barrelling. Local councillors are grateful but baffled since they weren't aware it was even a town!
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...hnson-accused-cynical-electioneering-16878783

I laughed my head off when I read this.

At the local elections Cheadle got its first ever Labour councillor by one vote. Luckily I persuaded my mum to walk round to the polling station before it shut to cast her vote and it was the winning vote. The MP is a Tory, Mary Robinson, who I have had dealings with and found to be courteous, respectful and hard working, a decent MP who I actually respect despite her being a Tory. They are obviously concerned there is a danger she may lose her seat as Labour have grown enormously in the area and whilst Cheadle is a decent area with a lot of wealth there are pockets of extreme deprivation on its council estates. For some reason people are always surprised to learn Cheadle has council estates as it seen as a well to do area. This is a sign that the Tories are very worried as apart from a couple of Lib Dems the constituency has been solidly Tory for years. The Cheadle Blues even hold their meetings in the Conservative Club, I have burnt loads of pairs of shoes since we moved there.

 

[Rascal]

The evidence says otherwise. The most recent/similar event to cite is Hollande’s implementation of 75% tax in France: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....eaving-france-please-turn-out-the-lights/amp/

Not an apples to apples comparison, but to blanket state that people won’t “fuck off” if taxes are ramped up is simply not true.

What would be good would be a proper study into the optimal level of taxation (certainly payroll and corp tax). Optimal taxation would probably not be 50% or 75% - possibly even a lot lower. The point behind optimal taxation being to identify the rate at which the treasury receives the most tax take. Which would be great for our creaking public services, the NHS, etc. Not sure about anyone else, but I’d be very happy if I knew the tax rate I was subject to offered the best possible value for our great country.

Optimal taxation wouldn’t win many votes because a lot of the electorate just want “the rich” to be seen to be paying “their fair share” (read: anything over 50%/getting a good kicking for being horrible “rich” bastards).

The evidence can be interpreted in many ways.

France is not the UK and nobody is advocating a 75% tax rate. There will always be a few super rich who move, not necessarily though for tax reasons, more for lifestyle reasons as in the UK it never stops fucking raining and they can afford to move. If the tax rate was so inhibiting how does it explain the taking over of vast swathes of London real estate by Oligarchs?

Most of the world’s billionaires – about 84% – still live in their country of birth. And among those who do live abroad, most moved to their current country of residence long before they became wealthy – either as children with their parents, or as students going abroad to study (and then staying).

The world’s billionaires largely live where they were born or where they began their careers

Only about 5% of world billionaires moved abroad after they became successful. These individuals readily fit the stereotype of a “transnational capitalist class” – unplugged from their nation state, travelling the world for some combination of tax avoidance and cosmopolitan lifestyle.

Many of them can be found in London claiming “non-dom” status to avoid the tax laws of both their homeland and those that apply to British citizens. Others are located in tropical tax havens – such as Sir Richard Branson, who moved to the British Virgin Islands after becoming a billionaire
,

Optimal taxation sounds suspiciously like the Laffer curve, which has been discredited as economic nonsense and Laffer exposed as a fraud. I may be wrong of course and it may make sense, I would have to look into it though.

Taxation should be organised on a basic principle, the more you earn, the more you pay. I am not an advocate of Healyite squeeze them to the pips squeak taxation, but I do believe in the basic principle that those with more should pay more. I happen to believe that paying tax makes you a stakeholder in society and as I believe that society is the one of the most important and greatest achievements of mankind then of course I am going to believe that. I have actually considered writing a book on Societism, which could be a post capitalist state we live in.

What this government has done is really underhand, it has raised the thresholds to make it look as though those with least are the sole beneficiaries "the taking people out of tax mantra" but they don't tell you it applies to everyone including Billionaires.