General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Metal Biker]

good question, but my instinct would be that whilst we're getting done up the wrong un in our next few years of negotiations, the EU would see it as a nice two fingers to flick at Boris by welcoming them back into the fold. I say that based on little knowledge of what Brussels motivations would be mind.

For Scotland to join the EU as an independent member, it would require the UK leaving the EU.

But it's more the Scottish economy that's the main issue for Europe. An independent Scotland does not look very attractive with it's mountains of debt. It doesn't want another Greece situation.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Think the other 26 countries will be fine.

Just as long as the Chairmans cough up and the rest are willing to make up any shortfall. I think it became increasingly clear that the Europeans, like our home-grown nationalists, are not happy with us because we were foot draggers when it came to federalism, but are delighted with our Bank of England promissory notes!

 

[GaudinoMotors]

They swallowed the Get Brexit Done crap.

And not the Bollox to Brexit shit

 

[Metal Biker]

Again, Boris voted 3 times against leaving.

...under May's proposed WA.

Please be more accurate. He supports leaving under his WA, which amends a few things he disagreed with.

 

[George Hannah]

They swallowed the Get Brexit Done crap.

I really think not but they certainly didn't swallow what was being offered by Corbyn et al.

 

[Metal Biker]

They swallowed the Get Brexit Done crap.

But surprising didn't swallow the "money forest, free tuition fees, trillions for NHS, billions for WASPI, free broadband, for the many not the few".

Strange that, isn't it. You mock the electorate that 24 hours ago you were previously canvassing to vote in the way you wanted...

Before they were "smart, decent", now they've not voted how you want they're "gullible".

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

For Scotland to join the EU as an independent member, it would require the UK leaving the EU.

But it's more the Scottish economy that's the main issue for Europe. An independent Scotland does not look very attractive with it's mountains of debt. It doesn't want another Greece situation.

We’d like their fishing grounds though.

 

[Ban-jani]

I've not spent much time in the politics threads these past few weeks but it doesn't seem that long ago that you seemed to be backing Corbyn and I think you said he'd gotten a handle on the anti-Semitism issue. What's happened in the meantime mate? That's not a dig by the way - just a genuine question

I don’t mind answering this at all mate.

A) the first thing that happened was the manifesto was realised, in the past 24 hours I’m on record as saying the 2017 was okay and something I liked. I have felt we need invest now and it’s definitely the time to do so. What’s happened though now is Labour have moved a step further to the left and released policies that I think are just ludicrous and down to a socialist ideology, rather than doing it because it’s the right decision.

B) On to antisemitism. This is maybe naivety on my part but things went quiet on this front and the word out of the party was they were getting a grip. It then came into light they’d just ignored hundreds of complaints whilst claiming they’d done something about it.

The above has pushed me away and quite sharply too.

 

[Metal Biker]

We’d like their fishing grounds though.

I thought fishing made no impact on the nations economy.

 

[meltonblue]

They were both aligned in wanting the Tories out and getting a second referendum. I live in Redwood's constituency. Next door is Reading West where the Lib Dem's took votes off Labour (in an even closer marginal) meaning a Tory win. Here in Wokingham, Labour took votes off the Lib Dems to ensure a Tory win. They didn't have to "sacrifice" their principles, they could have worked together, both won a seat and deprived the Tories of two seats. It is fucking madness and anyone who genuinely wanted the the Tories out, but refused to vote tactically, is, and i choose my words very deliberately here, mind-numbingly partisan to the point of idiocy.

That’s part of my point though. It is never going to get through to enough people if a campaign is based on a “don’t vote for them” rather than a “vote for me”.

There had to be more to the argument than just stop the tories. Had Lib Dem voters gone for labour instead, the only benefit to them is that the tories don’t get in but the price to pay for that is their true voice isn’t heard at all and it’s another party they don’t want in power.

Labour didn’t put forward any reason for Lib Dem’s to vote for them aside from what it prevents, it wasn’t for altruistic reasons. They’re not interested in electoral
reform, those 3.3m voices that voted Lib Dem wouldn’t have been considered at all post the event, they would have been assumed to be approval of Labours own manifesto.