Blue Hefner
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He speak how I felt last night/this morning. I’m listening to the O’Brien show on catch-up and listening to some of the usual Labour voters going over to the Tories is spine tingling
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General Election - December 12th, 2019
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He speak how I felt last night/this morning. I’m listening to the O’Brien show on catch-up and listening to some of the usual Labour voters going over to the Tories is spine tingling
Bigga
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I tend to ignore anything said by someone who ends their post calling me a "worthless human".
Why would I even bother engaging with such a toxic individual filled with unobjective hatred?
You were rejoicing about the issues the country faces.
That makes YOU toxic about what the country has to deal with in order to get your precious 'Brexit' through!
Blue Hefner
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Correct. There is nothing to see here other than an attempt of guilt by association, of which the Conservatives had nothing to do with or any connection to.
You've just seen your side of the political debate destroyed in an election and you're STILL using the same tactics.
Maybe it'll sink in down the line, maybe it won't, but when are you going to learn the toxic narrative you're peddling doesn't convince people except those in your own little bubble?
It was a bit of fun, calm down
George Hannah
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BoJo currently thanking all those who don't like him for their votes - 'let the healing begin with the NHS' a couple of minutes of whole nation rhetoric .... then Merry Christmas and Hi Ho Silver Away .....
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Bigga
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Are you dances on the shoulders of the 4mil kids going hungry?!
Happy clapping.
somethingelse
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Some MP,s wouldn't know mushy peas from guacamole
George Hannah
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Are you dances on the shoulders of the 4mil kids going hungry?!
Happy clapping.
Are you a tribute act for an Old Testament prophet?
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The perfect fumble
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From Gary Younge in the Guardian.
Corbyn’s departure creates a problem for centrists. They have been predicting this moment since before he was elected leader. When events failed to comply – when the party reelected him with a greater majority or the country gave him more seats and votes – they waited for the next event. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. The trouble is, with him leaving they will now have to produce an agenda and a candidate of their own, and then offer those up to a party that has grown in size, even if it is momentarily diminished in confidence.
They will have to face the fact that the electorate did not abandon Labour for the centre. They went either to the far right, in England and Wales, or to the social democratic nationalist alternative, in Scotland. They did not go to the Liberal Democrats or back Change UK. Chuka Umunna, Dominic Grieve, David Gauke, Anna Soubry, Jo Swinson and Luciana Berger all lost.
I did not hear a single voter ask about Owen Smith or pine for Yvette Cooper. Whatever comes next, it won’t be a return to abstaining on the welfare bill or backing the hostile environment policy. They will want Labour to be more effective in opposition, but they will want it to mount an opposition.
The centrists will have to face the fact that the thousands of people who travelled the country during these past few weeks to canvass in the cold and rain are not about to abandon their ideals or the party. And those who invested so heavily in this particular iteration of Labour will have to face the fact that their conviction alone was not enough to convince others of their ideals.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/labour-why-lost-jeremy-corbyn-brexit-media
So, in a nutshell, Alan Johnson can fuck off and take Alistair Campbell with him.
Corbyn’s departure creates a problem for centrists. They have been predicting this moment since before he was elected leader. When events failed to comply – when the party reelected him with a greater majority or the country gave him more seats and votes – they waited for the next event. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. The trouble is, with him leaving they will now have to produce an agenda and a candidate of their own, and then offer those up to a party that has grown in size, even if it is momentarily diminished in confidence.
They will have to face the fact that the electorate did not abandon Labour for the centre. They went either to the far right, in England and Wales, or to the social democratic nationalist alternative, in Scotland. They did not go to the Liberal Democrats or back Change UK. Chuka Umunna, Dominic Grieve, David Gauke, Anna Soubry, Jo Swinson and Luciana Berger all lost.
I did not hear a single voter ask about Owen Smith or pine for Yvette Cooper. Whatever comes next, it won’t be a return to abstaining on the welfare bill or backing the hostile environment policy. They will want Labour to be more effective in opposition, but they will want it to mount an opposition.
The centrists will have to face the fact that the thousands of people who travelled the country during these past few weeks to canvass in the cold and rain are not about to abandon their ideals or the party. And those who invested so heavily in this particular iteration of Labour will have to face the fact that their conviction alone was not enough to convince others of their ideals.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/labour-why-lost-jeremy-corbyn-brexit-media
So, in a nutshell, Alan Johnson can fuck off and take Alistair Campbell with him.
meltonblue
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I’m suggesting that even though May was all for Brexit only got through with the help of the DUP. If a Labour PM with an inch of charisma and leadership skills would have been at the wheel they may have got over the line. During the last campaign Brexit wasn’t front and centre, people realised there was more such as counter terrorism and the appalling housing conditions of places like Grenfall
Bear in mind just how far a labour majority is away due to them not having a presence in Scotland now either. Getting over the line for labour really means just for a hung parliament rather than a majority.
Brexit has led to the conservatives uniting the right and getting rid of ukip and the brexit party. It cost them Cameron and May but has left them now in an incredibly strong position and they'll reap the benefits for a long time now. What that means for the union is going to be very interesting to see.
Prestwich_Blue
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They are the party of business after all.That shouldn't surprise me, but somehow, in a sadly depressing way, it does.