General Election - December 12th, 2019

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Are you saying that Corbyn is doing the right thing or showing how it should be done?

Neither. I'm saying Corbyn should have left the stage with more dignity, but I'm not remotely surprised he didn't.

 

[meltonblue]

From Gary Younge in the Guardian.

Corbyn’s departure creates a problem for centrists. They have been predicting this moment since before he was elected leader. When events failed to comply – when the party reelected him with a greater majority or the country gave him more seats and votes – they waited for the next event. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. The trouble is, with him leaving they will now have to produce an agenda and a candidate of their own, and then offer those up to a party that has grown in size, even if it is momentarily diminished in confidence.

They will have to face the fact that the electorate did not abandon Labour for the centre. They went either to the far right, in England and Wales, or to the social democratic nationalist alternative, in Scotland. They did not go to the Liberal Democrats or back Change UK. Chuka Umunna, Dominic Grieve, David Gauke, Anna Soubry, Jo Swinson and Luciana Berger all lost.

I did not hear a single voter ask about Owen Smith or pine for Yvette Cooper. Whatever comes next, it won’t be a return to abstaining on the welfare bill or backing the hostile environment policy. They will want Labour to be more effective in opposition, but they will want it to mount an opposition.

The centrists will have to face the fact that the thousands of people who travelled the country during these past few weeks to canvass in the cold and rain are not about to abandon their ideals or the party. And those who invested so heavily in this particular iteration of Labour will have to face the fact that their conviction alone was not enough to convince others of their ideals.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/labour-why-lost-jeremy-corbyn-brexit-media

So, in a nutshell, Alan Johnson can fuck off and take Alistair Campbell with him.

That ignores the actual vote though. Plenty did go to the lib dems too.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Bear in mind just how far a labour majority is away due to them not having a presence in Scotland now either. Getting over the line for labour really means just for a hung parliament rather than a majority.

Brexit has led to the conservatives uniting the right and getting rid of ukip and the brexit party. It cost them Cameron and May but has left them now in an incredibly strong position and they'll reap the benefits for a long time now. What that means for the union is going to be very interesting to see.

I’m more interested in what it means for the poorest people in society than I am the Union.

 

[kaz7]

Well done britain,full trump

We have a racist homophobe as prime minister who has slagged off every one in society who is not of his ilk,he looks down on most people but they are too stupid to see it,he lies on trump scale

A tory along the coast from me who took the piss out of the mentally disabled just 2 weeks ago and yet is still there

Many sections of society will be fearful today,myself included

I predict in less than 5 yrs the number using foodbanks will double to 2 million,he will not give a single shit

One shinning light the greens kept their seat in brighton

My old mum used to have a saying,don't come running to me when it goes tit's up

 

[Metal Biker]

You were rejoicing about the issues the country faces.

That makes YOU toxic about what the country has to deal with in order to get your precious 'Brexit' through!

A lot of people have been rejoicing avoiding a Corbyn Government.

Not sure why i'm being singled out by you.

 

[Metal Biker]

It was a bit of fun, calm down

Sure it was.

 

[Bigga]

Are you a tribute act for an Old Testament prophet?

Aren't you ashamed of what your vote has done to those in need?

Carry on with your comedy, fella. Get your laughs in.

You're performing to an audience of 3 or 4...

 

[Bluemanc100]

Lammy trying to rubbish Tory plans... absolutely no "gracious in defeat" attitude from him...

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

One thing that is clear is just how separate London is from the rest of the country.

 

[blueinsa]

Aren't you ashamed of what your vote has done to those in need?

Carry on with your comedy, fella. Get your laughs in.

You're performing to an audience of 3 or 4...

Your attitude has done far more harm to those that needed a Labour government because it has totally alienated millions and stopped any chance of it happening.

Own it, dont try passing the buck, we dont give a fuck and we are not listening any longer to the likes of you.

Take your Corbynism and shove it where the sun doesnt shine!

It really is that simple.