General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%
  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%
  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%
  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%

  • Total voters
    518
There is no doubt that this is true and it says everything that is wrong with British politics. He has been smeared endlessly, by a right wing media based offshore and determined to protect their tax avoidance status. Even the great Noam Chomsky described the antisemitic slurs as a creation of the British press. He has been a conviction politician since his earliest days yet is expected to shift with the wind to win votes and pilloried when he stands his ground. We get what we deserve and what we get has been a disaster for a decade.
He's an antisemite. Many members of the party are antisemites. Most of his leadership team are either antisemites or determined to protect those members who are. But of course it's all unfounded smears isn't it.

The EHRC wouldn't be mounting a full investigation into the party being institutionally antisemitic unless it had good grounds to do so, just like the CPS wouldn't look at bringing a prosecution unless there was some tangible evidence.

Read this if you've got the balls or self-awareness. It's a long piece with a lot of hyperlinks but it's absolutely spot on and a coherent answer to all the idiots claiming it's just smears.

 
I don’t mind answering this at all mate.

A) the first thing that happened was the manifesto was realised, in the past 24 hours I’m on record as saying the 2017 was okay and something I liked. I have felt we need invest now and it’s definitely the time to do so. What’s happened though now is Labour have moved a step further to the left and released policies that I think are just ludicrous and down to a socialist ideology, rather than doing it because it’s the right decision.

B) On to antisemitism. This is maybe naivety on my part but things went quiet on this front and the word out of the party was they were getting a grip. It then came into light they’d just ignored hundreds of complaints whilst claiming they’d done something about it.

The above has pushed me away and quite sharply too.
Points A & B along with
C) Momentum holding the party to ransom, de-selecting anyone who opposed the narrowness of their particular 'Labour' view.
D) Multiple spreading of fake or 'spun' news. Eg Traingate.
... almost stopped me voting for Labour - which would have been a change to my normal vote anyway.

D - Could, and is, applied to almost all parties. My traditional party, also indulged, which left a sour taste in the mouth.

I think that's my major take from this election. It's been there since I started voting - 'Kinnock - will the last person in Britain turn the lights off', but has grown with every election since. Spin, lies, deceit.

As with the referendum, it's not the result I would have liked, but I'm not going to lower myself to jeering or name calling.

The election was clearly fought across just one item, 'Get Brexit done' (v. snappy soundbite) or not. Every other matter generally became secondary or directly related to Brexit/Remain tendencies.

I hope Boris can move forward. It's going to happen, he's got a majority.

I just know that there's a slew of other conservative stuff I don't want, that now comes (entirely unrelated to Brexit) - NHS privatisation, reducing public protections from big buisness in many areas, feeding the oligarchs, bankers and hedge funds more, and doing diddly on the everywhere else/SouthEast divide.

Related to Brexit I see - NI going bang as it becomes untenable economically and politically. Scotland leaving and collapsing. The poor going back to pre-WWII levels of health and healthcare.

Hopefully wrong. Would be a pleasant surprise if it doesn't all occur, and would if it occurs, bring the nation back together again, in some small way.
 
SNP fought against the Tories who had one stated objective. Vote for us and stop Indyy Ref 2. 81% of seats won, totally defeated them. Totally rejected Boris and part of the manifesto was looking for support for us to decide where we go. Job done.

Labour in Scotland decimated by their own actions in 2014 standing shoulder with the Tories. They too have a choice, get behind Indy 2 or join Corbyn as last week's news.

We have spoken. We have a democratic mandate. Nobody can deny that. Boris has a mandate in England, we accept that, but the same democratic issue applies here too.
Agreed 100%... Give us English a vote in INDY2 then we can fuck you all off where you lot belong, Barnet formula a joke, Scotland with a population on par with Yorkshire setting demands ? I hope you lot get your wish and I will happily eat my popcorn as it all goes wrong !!
 
The newspapers may be predominantly right leaning because they rely on readership, but no way are the tv media - they don't even try to hide their left leaning bias.

I’d say that’s a lot more even, yes. I wouldn’t say the bbc is left leaning, not any more, some of the others absolutely. Well, centrist at least. A bit of that is the Overton window has shifted too.

In terms of the papers, that’s a bit of chicken and egg thing but it’s disregarding their influence for changing public perception and opinion themselves. They can set the agenda as much as conform to it and then amplify it.
 
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Agreed 100%... Give us English a vote in INDY2 then we can fuck you all off where you lot belong, Barnet formula a joke, Scotland with a population on par with Yorkshire setting demands ? I hope you lot get your wish and I will happily eat my popcorn as it all goes wrong !!

The angry response of a jilted lover.
 
SNP fought against the Tories who had one stated objective. Vote for us and stop Indyy Ref 2. 81% of seats won, totally defeated them. Totally rejected Boris and part of the manifesto was looking for support for us to decide where we go. Job done.

Labour in Scotland decimated by their own actions in 2014 standing shoulder with the Tories. They too have a choice, get behind Indy 2 or join Corbyn as last week's news.

We have spoken. We have a democratic mandate. Nobody can deny that. Boris has a mandate in England, we accept that, but the same democratic issue applies here too.
Can’t argue with that. I like some of their policies and between a choice of Tory, LD and Corbyn Labour there was no doubt in my mind they formed the best choice yersterday. Felt a little sorry for Danielle Rowley who has been a good local MP. I don’t believe Liar Johnson should stand in the way of a further referendum but undoubtedly he will. It may have to be settled through the courts.

Then let’s hear the arguments and the plan.
 
Agreed 100%... Give us English a vote in INDY2 then we can fuck you all off where you lot belong, Barnet formula a joke, Scotland with a population on par with Yorkshire setting demands ? I hope you lot get your wish and I will happily eat my popcorn as it all goes wrong !!

And do you believe that if England were given a referendum to leave the union (UK), they would vote yes?
 

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