General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Metal Biker]

There are of course negatives to membership of the EU but the positivex massively outweigh the negatives.

But we will be much better off under the stewardship of a bunch of old Etonian toffs fighting our corner against the 3 economic superpowers of China, the US and the EU.

You win. I'm beaten.

Enjoy

So name these negatives. You just won't specify will you, and as far as I remember you NEVER have.

You forget that these "Etonian Toffs" have only been granted power on the backs of working classes, the majority demographic in this country as also the ones who supported leaving the EU, who refused to show support for their "expected" party base, and by default handed it to the Conservatives.

The Tories and Johnson publicly acknowlegded this, they know their majority is based on very rocky and scrutinous ground.

They're doing what we demand; brexit, NHS investment, workers rights. Fuck it up and they're out. They know this and have made that reality clear. It could be new era for the Conservatives or they could regress. But they know if they do, they'll lose their newly acquired support, something they need to stay in power.

That's obvious to everyone, besides a certain few, it seems.

 

[meltonblue]

Agree with that.

In 1983, the winter of discontent and industrial strife of the late 70s was still fresh in the mind so in spite of the riots of 1981 and the onset of Thatcherism she was still in poll position in 1983 and it was no surprise that a left wing Labour didn’t do well.
2019 should have been very different.

9 years of Tory austerity should have been sufficient for people to want anything but more Tory strife. Sadly Corbyn and his policies were totally the wrong answer. It all goes back to 2010 when the union vote was enough to counter the members and PLP votes to get the wrong Miliband in. His ineffectual opposition led to another Cameron win and his rule change attracting hundreds of thousands of far left members led to Corbyn and the shambles we see today.

There have been too many missed opportunities due to poor decision making by Labour over the last 10 years to make it likely they’re going to get it right next time.

The only way labour get back into power in five years is if they back proportional representation and do a proper deal with all of the other parties. Now the conservatives have completely got rid of any parties on the right, coupled with the SNP decimating labour in Scotland, they’ve got no chance of getting in themselves. I don’t think they ever will again tbh.

 

[meltonblue]

So name these negatives. You just won't specify will you, and as far as I remember you NEVER have.

You forget that these "Etonian Toffs" have only been granted power on the backs of working classes, the majority demographic in this country as also the ones who supported leaving the EU, who refused to show support for their "expected" party base, and by default handed it to the Conservatives.

The Tories and Johnson publicly acknowlegded this, they know their majority is based on very rocky and scrutinous ground.

They're doing what we demand; brexit, NHS investment, workers rights. Fuck it up and they're out. They know this and have made that reality clear. It could be new era for the Conservatives or they could regress. But they know if they do, they'll lose their newly acquired support, something they need to stay in power.

That's obvious to everyone, besides a certain few, it seems.

I’d caveat that still with “we hope they’re doing what we demand”. We don’t know yet what their employment bill is going to look like or their full plan for healthcare.

I’m reserving judgment, although feeling mildly positive. I do think, particularly with this government, proper analysis and scrutiny is needed once those bills are fully written to really make sure they’re doing what they said they would.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

The SDP were riding high in the polls in early 1982 and labour was languishing. Thatcher stormed ahead in the summer of 82 and stayed there.

The Tory share of the vote was actually very slightly lower in 1983 than in 1979. The SDP were in alliance with the Liberals in that election and picked up quite a bit of the vote share from Labour but the total share of the vote between them wasn't that much higher than the Lab/Lib total share in 1979. Think it was about +1% for them and -1% for the Tories. Some of those votes that went to the SDP from Labour might well have gone to the Tories had the SDP not stood.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

The lies they told you to get your vote (number 9).....




Anyone feeling foolish yet?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Some time ago you said socialism was inevitable.

No, I said communism was inevitable, in perhaps 100 to 200 years from now.

AI and robotics will make human effort worthless and so a different form of wealth distribution will be needed. However, it's totally unworkable until there is complete global alignment of all major economies. So absolute ages off. No country can implement it on their own or they fuck their economy and impoverish everybody. As per the last 100 years and every previous attempt.

 

[Bigga]

Wow - there must be soooooo many Brexit supporters utterly distraught to hear this news

You keep...

preaching to the...

same audie...

..nzzzzzz...

 

[Ancient Citizen]

The cunts are in control and it's difficult to see how their power of a largely stupid population will be removed.

A lesson from the losers on why they continue to have great difficulty winning friends and influencing people.
I wouldn't recommend a career in sales mate.

 

[lancs blue]

The lies they told you to get your vote (number 9).....




Anyone feeling foolish yet?

Northern Railway have shown commendable commitment to equality by making it hard for anyone to access their trains...

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Has the Russia report been released yet ? .............