General Election - December 12th, 2019

[inbetween]

What’s people predictions?

I think loads of seast will change hands, but most likely we’ll be roughly where we are now, overall, with the only conceivable majority being for the Tories, which wouldn’t shock me - unless it was a large one. Labour haven’t got a chance imo.

I reckon a lot of people are underestimating the potential impact of the youth vote. If they can be arsed voting!

I think there will be a massive shock and we will see an almost unimaginable very large Tory majority. It is exactly what May was predicted to achieve a couple of years ago but she messed up the campaign.

Labour are there for the taking because they have appealed to their base and 'movement' instead of the wider public. They will risk 52% of their vote with their Brexit ideas but they are being outgunned on credibility by the Tories and Lib Dems who just care more about it.

I just don't know how they think they can win by being irrelevant in the conversation on the most important issue the country has faced for decades.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

No one can, or will, because infecting a general election with Brexit is a stupid idea.

If you're a Labour voter I would imagine it's a fucking dreadful one.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I suspect a few of them don’t want to be associated with what is becoming a relatively extreme administration. Could yet be damaging for the Tories that their more moderate MPs are deserting the party.

How many leave voting Conservatives, are leaving the party?
Moderate = Remain MP's who know they've been busting a gut to stop the UK leaving the EU, as per a democratic vote.
Their tactics didn't work, they knew that a reckoning was coming, so they've taken the pistol and whisky bottle to
a darkened room.

 

[inbetween]

So in a 70% leave constituency the only choice would be between the sitting labour MP with a policy of another referendum plus lots of policies that would otherwise appeal, and a party with only one policy led by a fascist supporter who would then get in bed with Johnson to inflict five more years of austerity.

It doesn't sound sound to me.

People voted for Brexit (2016), voted in Labour to deliver it (2017) and then voted for TBP in the European elections (2019).

Why in gods name after all that would they vote in a party to stop the whole thing at the moment of truth?

The only chance Labour stands is in Labour/Tory remain seats but Tory voters are so scared of Labour that they are voting Lib Dem.

Labour faces total wipeout and they cannot win an election by only appealing to their domestic policy base who were always going to vote for them anyway.

 

[Blue Hefner]

So in a 70% leave constituency the only choice would be between the sitting labour MP with a policy of another referendum plus lots of policies that would otherwise appeal, and a party with only one policy led by a fascist supporter who would then get in bed with Johnson to inflict five more years of austerity.

It doesn't sound sound to me.

It doesn’t on the face of it, I agree. But band around enough words like ‘betrayal’, ‘traitor’, ‘surrender and ‘establishment’ then hey ho, job done

 

[Ancient Citizen]

It's not nonsense though. I certainly wish we weren't heading for a single issue general election. But whatever you or I may want, this "Brexit shyte" is going to be THE central issue in this general election and Labour don't have a clear, coherent position. It will undoubtedly cost them votes that would otherwise normally be theirs.

Agreed, this desperation to try and pretend it's about anything else is yet more straw clutching, yes there will be
secondary, peripheral conversations about the NHS, crime etc; but the overwhelming theme is brexit.
It's why the election has been called.

 

[jay_mcfc]

A deal between Cons and BXP doesn’t have to include the Cons stepping aside for the BXP to take seats. If the Cons get a majority thanks to the help of Farage there is one thing you ca absolutely bank on:

Lord Farage

 

[jay_mcfc]

How many leave voting Conservatives, are leaving the party?
Moderate = Remain MP's who know they've been busting a gut to stop the UK leaving the EU, as per a democratic vote.
Their tactics didn't work, they knew that a reckoning was coming, so they've taken the pistol and whisky bottle to
a darkened room.

Tactics didn’t work? Happy Independence Day... oh!

Meanwhile normal people can see what’s happening. Female moderates leaving two by two on a daily basis. This is Boris’ party now. ERG in the cabinet, women not welcome and deals with the BXP.

If you’re a traditional Labour voter and you vote for this Tory government then good luck to you. You will need it.

 

[Ban-jani]

I struggle to think how people can be sure without seeing a manifesto and even more so the fact that 6 people have ticked the Brexit Party at the top of this page where they only know what one policy is.

How in the hell can you decide to vote for a party that you only know one policy for?

 

[Saddleworth2]

Agreed, this desperation to try and pretend it's about anything else is yet more straw clutching, yes there will be
secondary, peripheral conversations about the NHS, crime etc; but the overwhelming theme is brexit.
It's why the election has been called.

And that is the bloody tragedy of it. Peripheral conversations about NHS, poverty, wealth inequality, investment in regions of England that need it, the economy. All central to the well-being and prosperity of the nation. Instead we get Brexit and will continue to have it dominating the political landscape for years to come .