General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Bluemanc100]

The choice by the Tories to propose the idea floated by Sinn Fein that Northern Ireland remains in the Customs Union and retains close ties to Eire is delicious.

That the DUP who supported the Tories contains an MP that had known terrorist links

But...... Corbyn

Hasn't it always done so while we've been in the EU?

Or is the point that we'll be on different terms post-Brexit?

 

[mcfc1632]

The BM poll showing a Labour lead is pretty irrelevant IMO since we're a working man's football club with its history firmly in a working class area of the country. It's hardly surprising that Labour is ahead in our poll.

But what is very interesting is the size of the LibDem vote at 20% of the total. For reference they got 7% in the last GE.

If this is in any way representative - and personally I think it actually is - then the question is, where are those extra 13% of votes coming from? Are they coming from Tories who wish to remain, but cannot stand the thought of voting Labour? Or from Labour supporters who cannot stand the thought of voting for Corbyn?

That single question will decide who wins the GE, IMO.

Interesting indeed - and, as a pro-Brexit person, where I pin my hopes that the Labour/LibDem vote split could lead to the Conservatives getting a working majority so they can get Brexit (this stage) concluded.

 

[jay_mcfc]

There has been discussion on these threads over the last year or so over whether the forum generally is distinctly (hard) left-leaning or not.

I guess this poll puts that debate to bed now

That the number of posters declaring that they will vote for this Labour party - with Corbyn and McDonnell at the helm - is almost as many as the other 6 options combined speaks clearly about the views that have been obvious anyway across all the threads. I just wonder though why this has been denied in the past - is it nothing to be ashamed of surely?

There's difference between 150+ one click votes to the 20-30 contributors on here.

But these results might just send a little warning to those that believe the Cons will walk this election that:
1- 16m voted remain
2- whilst Corbyn might not be popular many of his policies are and for millions on the breadline he is the only one that offers hope
3- 560,000 members - the biggest party membership in Europe - will bring the greatest ground game ever seen in the UK
4- We're already seeing huge swathes of 18-24 year olds registering to vote in record numbers, a theme continued from 2017


There's gonna be a huge surprise in this GE to many people and it's not going to be a big Tory majority.

 

[Mike D]

I think there's no chance of no deal and never was. But I think Johnson used the fixed October 31st date and the rhetoric of us leaving come what may, to great advantage. He looked for all intents and purposes like he meant it. He looked like a man on a mission who was going to get us out by hook or by crook and the EU blinked first. He played a blinder, despite your side trying to fuck him over.

Which is why I find it so depressing that you lot cannot recognise that was exactly how and why Johnson played it as he did, and instead choose to throw silly and childish abuse at him about his not "dying in a ditch" for example. Not only is doing so wholly unreasonable since it was your side who stopped him, it's laughable that you cannot recognise why he was saying what he did. If you play poker and you bluff, you'd better look like you mean it. So that's what he did.

Played a blinder in what way is this deal is not infinitely better than the last how can it be simple logic tells you that in such a short space of time you cannot rewrite the whole thing only tinker around the edges? It's the nearest to a hard Brexit that he can get to suit the ERG, the one's being fucked over are the Irish and DUP.

If Johnson is this master tactician then why did he throw a strop when he was strop when he wasn't allowed to ram his Brexit deal through? How can you possibly not see that as childish sending a photocopied letter that wasn't signed if that's not childish then I don't know what is? Its pathetic infantile and not the actions of a true statesmen which he will never be.

If this deal is such a good deal then why would he not allow proper scrutiny of the deal get it through? He had a 30 majority FFS what more does he want it fucking gift wrapped with a bow in it here's Brexit done? The opportunity to get this done then walk into an election that wouldn't be one it would be coronation for him!! We would be out of the EU early/ mid January then election in April/May or sooner.

What I recognise is a man who has been trying to engineer an election since the day he walked into number 10 playing silly childish antics for the purpose of creating a people v parliament showdown. He got a deal because he realised as Junker or Barnier I don't know who said these immortal words "I don't know what the big deal with no deal is, because the day after no deal the UK would have to negiotiate a deal with us, and they would be in a much weaker position along with the fact parliament wasn't going to let it happen.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Thought I'd see what the poll in the last Election Thread (2017) was, for comparison... https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/general-election-june-8th.327937/

Thanks - that is indeed very interesting. I highlighted earlier the much higher than normal Lib Dem vote, and questioned where those vote would come from. Comparing the above with now, they are coming from Labour. The Tory vote is broadly the same (28.8 vs 26.8), the Labour vote significantly down 55.8 vs 43.0).

 

[johnnytapia]

Can the Tories really get away with "we promise to fix all the things we broke"? or "don't let Corbyn in". That is about all they have

it's all they need.

 

[Bluemanc100]

There's difference between 150+ one click votes to the 20-30 contributors on here.

But these results might just send a little warning to those that believe the Cons will walk this election that:
1- 16m voted remain
2- whilst Corbyn might not be popular many of his policies are and for millions on the breadline he is the only one that offers hope
3- 560,000 members - the biggest party membership in Europe - will bring the greatest ground game ever seen in the UK
4- We're already seeing huge swathes of 18-24 year olds registering to vote in record numbers, a theme continued from 2017


There's gonna be a huge surprise in this GE to many people and it's not going to be a big Tory majority.

Lump on chap... that’s like putting a tenner on Arsenal to win the league for me... meaning you lose a tenner

hope I’m right

 

[jay_mcfc]

Played a blinder in what way is this deal is not infinitely better than the last how can it be simple logic tells you that in such a short space of time you cannot rewrite the whole thing only tinker around the edges? It's the nearest to a hard Brexit that he can get to suit the ERG, the one's being fucked over are the Irish and DUP.

If Johnson is this master tactician then why did he throw a strop when he was strop when he wasn't allowed to ram his Brexit deal through? How can you possibly not see that as childish sending a photocopied letter that wasn't signed if that's not childish then I don't know what is? Its pathetic infantile and not the actions of a true statesmen which he will never be.

If this deal is such a good deal then why would he not allow proper scrutiny of the deal get it through? He had a 30 majority FFS what more does he want it fucking gift wrapped with a bow in it here's Brexit done? The opportunity to get this done then walk into an election that wouldn't be one it would be coronation for him!! We would be out of the EU early/ mid January then election in April/May or sooner.

What I recognise is a man who has been trying to engineer an election since the day he walked into number 10 playing silly childish antics for the purpose of creating a people v parliament showdown. He got a deal because he realised as Junker or Barnier I don't know who said these immortal words "I don't know what the big deal with no deal is, because the day after no deal the UK would have to negiotiate a deal with us, and they would be in a much weaker position along with the fact parliament wasn't going to let it happen.

Anyone willing to throw NI under the bus could have got the deal he got (which he said he would never do). The fact he's celebrated for this shows us where we are.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Lump on chap... that’s like putting a tenner on Arsenal to win the league for me... meaning you lose a tenner

Lump on what? I don't for one minute think Labour will win but JC might just be pm. Unfotunately putting a tenner on that won't make me very rich.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Played a blinder in what way is this deal is not infinitely better than the last how can it be simple logic tells you that in such a short space of time you cannot rewrite the whole thing only tinker around the edges? It's the nearest to a hard Brexit that he can get to suit the ERG, the one's being fucked over are the Irish and DUP.

If Johnson is this master tactician then why did he throw a strop when he was strop when he wasn't allowed to ram his Brexit deal through? How can you possibly not see that as childish sending a photocopied letter that wasn't signed if that's not childish then I don't know what is? Its pathetic infantile and not the actions of a true statesmen which he will never be.

If this deal is such a good deal then why would he not allow proper scrutiny of the deal get it through? He had a 30 majority FFS what more does he want it fucking gift wrapped with a bow in it here's Brexit done? The opportunity to get this done then walk into an election that wouldn't be one it would be coronation for him!! We would be out of the EU early/ mid January then election in April/May or sooner.

What I recognise is a man who has been trying to engineer an election since the day he walked into number 10 playing silly childish antics for the purpose of creating a people v parliament showdown. He got a deal because he realised as Junker or Barnier I don't know who said these immortal words "I don't know what the big deal with no deal is, because the day after no deal the UK would have to negiotiate a deal with us, and they would be in a much weaker position along with the fact parliament wasn't going to let it happen.

Everything you see is through red tinted glasses. Removing the all-UK backstop was not "tinkering around the edges", it was THE fundamental blocker for May's deal.

Waste of time my time discussing things with you.