General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Vic]

The Lib Dems won't form a coalition with Labour or the Tories.

The Tories because of Brexit, and Labour because Corbyn is widely regarded as a 'terrorist-sympathising Marxist' in the seats that they poll best in, plus the ex-Tory and ex-Labour MPs they now have loathe the politics of Corbyn/Momentum.

So we get a Labour rainbow coalition with no overall majority which proposes a second referendum and the Lib Dems abstain?

 

[HelloCity]

How old are you? Serious question, I am not wanting to demean your opinion or anything.

The reason I ask is that the last 10 years have been really turgid, and not at all how anyone would want. If you're youngish, this would doubtless shape your thinking, understandably. But this is not what Conservatism is about. Conservatives don't want to spend less on public services. They certainly don't want you to have less money (that's Labour who want to tax people more, not Tories. Serious point.) And as for local businesses declining? The Tories have ALWAYS been the party of business, and have always done more to support local businesses. They have always been the party of law and order as well.

The things you mention are a function of 9+ years of austerity and cuts and nothing more than that. It's a shame people seem to think like you do, because it is a misunderstanding of what conservatives - like me - want for our society. We want better public services, better NHS, more jobs, better paid jobs, more police etc etc. Of course we do, why on EARTH would we not?

The question is, how do we get these things. Labour think we can just say "sod it" and spend the money whether we can afford it or not. Tories believe you need a strong economy to generate the taxes to pay for the best services. That is the ideological divide. There is no divide about whether we want good services or not. Why would ANYONE in any party, say they want poor public services and people to have less money?

What you want, what you’re told you’ll get, and what you do actually get are entirely different things.

It’s a shame people like you aren’t able to open your eyes and look what’s actually happening around you.

I find it hard to imagine a Government worse than what we’ve had to experience over the last decade.

Truth be told, I find them absolutely disgusting, as should anyone with a decent moral compass.

(and no that doesn’t mean you should have to love or vote Labour)

 

[Chippy_boy]

The whole "better educated more likely to vote for Corbyn" shit that's what lol.

it might be true as a correlation, but not as a causal.

i.e. statistically more people under 25 will have degrees than people over 75, since the numbers of people doing degrees etc has risen significantly compared to when my parents were that age.

And statistically younger people are more likely to vote Labour - because they are more idealistic and have less money etc.

So we end up with the false conclusion that the better educated you are, the more likely you are to vote Labour. The two may be correlated but there is not a causal relationship.

 

[jay_mcfc]

If her revoke plan fails, which they aren’t actually expecting to get a majority, she may still be able to enter a coalition and put forward a second referendum.

Again, you’re missing the point, it’s not the fault of the LibDems if the Tories win, it’s just that the electorate agrees more with the Tories than anyone else.

I can see the carpet being laid to blame Swinson for wanting to succeed and it’s arrogant and undemocratic to expect other parties to help you succeed.

She won’t lose her job as she’ll make a lot of gains regardless of getting into power and Corbyn will definitely lose his, by resigning, if he fails to form a government.

You’re missing the point. The Lib Dems succeeding isn’t about how many seats they win but whether or not they can stop Brexit. That has been party policy for three and a half years and it’s the reason why most of the newcomers will vote for them. The success of Corbyn and Swinson are very likely to be heavily linked, and therefore so are their failures.

And she might well lose her job as her seat is a swing seat and with a SNP resurgence likely she will be in trouble.

 

[jay_mcfc]

I am not suggesting the Tories do, other than perhaps concerns over brexit and immigration.

the Tories are for aspirational middle class, low tax people, predominately in the south. Always have been. Clear

That’s not the point I was talking about the hypocrisy of labour, this current labour lot could not give a shit about people in the north . Not a shit. They come up and pretend they do when there is an election and it’s sad people never hold them to account and just lazily vote labour cos they have all their life as did their dad.

they know they will get these lazy votes to carry on their ideological dream about turning the country into a communist state, with London the new Moscow.

if they don’t they will visit again in 5 years time pretending to hear their concerns and represent them.

Do what’s the issue here? That Corbyn’s constituency is in London?

 

[jay_mcfc]

How the FUCK will stopping fracking help northerners??? By limiting jobs and prosperity in the local area???

Typical response.

 

[Vic]

The sad thing about this is that those who are less educated, in the main, will be more impacted for the worse by a conservative government. Literally turkeys voting for Christmas.

Perhaps distorted because few older people got higher education so there is a correlation with age.

 

[blueinsa]

How the FUCK will stopping fracking help northerners??? By limiting jobs and prosperity in the local area???

Fear not.

Everyone is getting £10 p/h to build wind turbines.

 

[Ban-jani]

Was it not so long ago you were equating Ukip to SNP, as a single issue party with no real existence? and despite my offer of perspective otherwise, you stuck to it. people make up their minds and stay entrenched.

For the record you are spot on with this one btw.

They are mostly a single issue Party, akin to the Greens and I stand by that however both are much further along than the Brexit Party, at least and I wouldn’t accuse those stating they’re going to vote for either, at this point, as being strange.

My point here is that the BXP haven’t any policies at all, other than no deal, I won’t accuse UKIP or the SNP as being that narrow sighted.

 

[Vic]

Why do you care that the rich are getting richer?

I am not rich, but I could not give a toss whether the rich are getting richer. Not one toss.

What I care about is whether I am getting richer, or whether the policies someone is proposing will make me richer or poorer. Baffles me peoples obsession with "other people", especially if that obsession is wanting to see them do worse. Obsessing about wanting help others, fine. Obsessing about others doing better? Seems a bit sick to me, tbh.

It's me me me with you. But selfishness is very boring.