General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%
  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%
  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%
  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%

  • Total voters
    518
Why do you care that the rich are getting richer?

I am not rich, but I could not give a toss whether the rich are getting richer. Not one toss.

What I care about is whether I am getting richer, or whether the policies someone is proposing will make me richer or poorer. Baffles me peoples obsession with "other people", especially if that obsession is wanting to see them do worse. Obsessing about wanting help others, fine. Obsessing about others doing better? Seems a bit sick to me, tbh.
When the rich are getting increasingly more wealthy whilst we have people sleeping in doorways in manchester it matters to me. I don't mind some having more than others, that is how it's always going to be, but the divergence between rich and poor has become too great in my opinion. This is not about an obsession 'with other people', it's about fairness. This is one of the wealthiest countries in the world, I would just like to see that wealth spread out more, not just concentrated in the hands of a few. As I said in my original post on this subject, we've had a few decades of wealth stacking in favour of the wealthy, I think it's time for that trend to be reversed for a bit for what I consider to be the good of society.
 
What you want, what you’re told you’ll get, and what you do actually get are entirely different things.

It’s a shame people like you aren’t able to open your eyes and look what’s actually happening around you.

I find it hard to imagine a Government worse than what we’ve had to experience over the last decade.

Truth be told, I find them absolutely disgusting, as should anyone with a decent moral compass.

(and no that doesn’t mean you should have to love or vote Labour)
I don't find them disgusting. I recognise that the painful cuts were a symptom of austerity, and respectfully I suggest you might consider that too?

I happen to think austerity was needed and I respect your view if you think that it was not. But whether you do you don't, that is a bit irrelevant in that it was what people voted for in 2010, again in 2015 and to an extent in 2017. It's not as if evil tories sprang this on everyone. It was very very clear in commitments they made that we needed to get the deficit down and that painful choices would be needed. And people voted for this. So blame the voters for that, not the Tories.
 
You’re missing the point. The Lib Dems succeeding isn’t about how many seats they win but whether or not they can stop Brexit. That has been party policy for three and a half years and it’s the reason why most of the newcomers will vote for them. The success of Corbyn and Swinson are very likely to be heavily linked, and therefore so are their failures.

And she might well lose her job as her seat is a swing seat and with a SNP resurgence likely she will be in trouble.

We’re never going to agree with this but I will just say that there’s more to the LibDems than Brexit, if there wasn’t they would work with Corbyn in an alliance.

She’s not going to lose a seat, parties will never allow their leaders to not be MPs.
 
When the rich are getting increasingly more wealthy whilst we have people sleeping in doorways in manchester it matters to me. I don't mind some having more than others, that is how it's always going to be, but the divergence between rich and poor has become too great in my opinion. This is not about an obsession 'with other people', it's about fairness. This is one of the wealthiest countries in the world, I would just like to see that wealth spread out more, not just concentrated in the hands of a few. As I said in my original post on this subject, we've had a few decades of wealth stacking in favour of the wealthy, I think it's time for that trend to be reversed for a bit for what I consider to be the good of society.
Frankly anyone who disagrees with this assessment is wilfully ignoring reality.
 
Frankly anyone who disagrees with this assessment is wilfully ignoring reality.
Rubbish. It's perfectly acceptable to have a different opinion on what is a fair distribution of wealth and what's fair and what is not about how much you wish to take off people to give to others. Maybe when you're handing over 47% of everything you earn and are being told its not enough and you need to give more, you might find yourself having a different perspective.
 
Everything you see is through red tinted glasses. Removing the all-UK backstop was not "tinkering around the edges", it was THE fundamental blocker for May's deal.

Waste of time my time discussing things with you.
Correct

Removing the unfettered backstop was indeed a major achievement and made the deal instantly better than anything previously agreed

The EU and Ireland really really wanted that
 
Rubbish. It's perfectly acceptable to have a different opinion on what is a fair distribution of wealth and what's fair and what is not about how much you wish to take off people to give to others. Maybe when you're handing over 47% of everything you earn and are being told its not enough and you need to give more, you might find yourself having a different perspective.
Concentrating too much cash in the hands of the wealthy is stupid for economic productivity as the rich don't spend the same percentage of their spare cash as the less well off do. My argument isn't just based on 'what i think would be nice', it's based on what i believe would be the most successful version of our economy. And this isn't about 'giving it to others', it's about building infrastructure (both physical and social) that will benefit the country as a whole.
 
yeah I have just seen his speech making it into a class war.

it’s been the same since he took over . He could not give a fucking shit about the people of Wigan, Oldham Warrington. Not one shit.

it’s the same old labour. When there is no election they spend their time debating and fighting for the rights of the gender transitioning transvestite who lives in Islington. They don’t come out of London. They sit and debate like a left wing ideological bubble and saying after they have debated about how shocking the forgotten people are they say , “oh yes me and my partner are going seeing Eddie izzard tonight and then giving that new Peruvian restaurant a go in shoreditch”

there are millions of people particularly in the forgotten north of England who really have little voice or representation. Scotland , Wales Northern Ireland all have a political voice and people speaking for them

In England , outside of of the south east there is no voice for normal people, nobody gives a shit about them until an election. Then we see them all coming up to the Northern towns pretending they give a shit , but really just knowing there are millions of people who have always voted labour all their life and continue to do so and if it means I only have to visit Wigan every 5 years then it’s worth it.

They don’t care about the people of the north’s views on brexit, immigration , local schools or hospitals or their shitty high street that can’t even support a kfc anymore. They just want their vote.

the saddest of this are the people who fall for this bollox and say they have voted labour all their life and always will do so.

Well vote labour as you have done all your life, but you won’t see McDonnell , Corbyn or Abbott for another 5 years and they will sit in their bubble in London pursuing their ideological dream.
Brilliant post mate - you going to Zagreb?
 

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