Gaylord du Bois
Well-Known Member
Quiet please. Bluemoons kangaroo court is now in session.
Like your gift of diverting attention away from your cock ups? I seem to recall the argument that the alleged "social democratic economic model" is commonplace everywhere else and it is only the UK that is so capitalist, right-wing and under-taxed.
Like your gift of diverting attention away from your cock ups? I seem to recall the argument that the alleged "social democratic economic model" is commonplace everywhere else and it is only the UK that is so capitalist, right-wing and under-taxed.
The problem for the socialists is they are totally reliant on that 45% or more, what happens if those people go elsewhere? Who funds the system then?
Socialism does not work unless everyone participates and it seems the plan is to get only the rich to participate. Ask the poorer to pay more and there would be uproar, socialism however dictates that everyone contributes and inversely therefore shares in the rewards.
My guess is many people are not prepared to contribute which is why they are now asking the rich to instead, imagine if Labour announced a VAT rise or a rise in taxes on the middle classes to fund all of these fantasy land things. There would be utter uproar and that is why a social democratic state simply will never work.
I can tell you now that if bringing in Labour ever meant higher council tax or higher taxes which it will, people will soon change their tune.
Because it is the rich we are happy to shift that burden to them because it won't affect us and we will reap the benefits without putting anything back in but unfortunately it just does not work like that. It is inevitable that Labour's plans will not work out, the rich are best placed to divert their taxes away from here and suddenly the only people left to fund the merry-go-round is you and me.
Spot on again.
It's all I WANT, I WANT, I WANT, so long as someone else gets the bill.
This is what Nick Clegg had to say on it, last night:
The money needs to come from somewhere. There's no such thing as "free stuff". Money doesn't just appear out of thin air. Now, so the question is, how do you raise the taxes? I think the fundamental fallacy about the Labour Party's proposals is they are saying you can all have lots and lots of free stuff and only 5% of the tax paying population is going to pay for it. I can tell you, having spent 5 years pouring over the tax system in our country, the most difficult bit of the British economy to tax effectively is the top 5%, whether you like it or not. They move! This is what the institute of fiscal studies<said>, they change their behaviour, they relocate.
Look, I'm not in the mood to piss on your chips. Comparing tax bands from countries as different as Peru, Denmark and Papua New Guinea is a waste of time. There are 11 countries that have no income tax at all! And others that use tax simply to supplement their rulers lavish lifestyle.
Country comparisons are worthless.
so you're saying Labour will tax everyone and not just the rich ?
Tory immigration 'policy' already in tatters. Three statements made yesterday.
Policing Minister- down to tens of thousands by the end of next parliament.
Mavis - hinting but not committing to target by end of next parliament.
David Davis - can't make any promises.
Meanwhile in other news , 'in the know' and well connected 'Boy' George 'Ozzie' Osborne has already made it clear that Cabinet Ministers in private are disowning the policy ( sorry aim, or is it aspiration?).
so you're saying Labour will tax everyone and not just the rich ?