General Election June 8th

[SWP's back]

actually no.

he did say that its a trade off but he also said taxation is theft.
they are contradictory positions.
He may well have meant high taxation beyond a certain point is theft but its not what he said.

No. They aren't contradictory. One can believe it theft and still see the need for it to be implemented.

 

[pirate]

No. They aren't contradictory. One can believe it theft and still see the need for it to be implemented.

really?
Theft by the government perpetrated on the citizens can be justified?
If its justified it stops being theft. If you think of it as theft, then it cant be justified.

For example if you have to take food in order to feed yourself and your family because their are no alternatives, then it stops being theft because its morally justified because the system you are living under has failed.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Careful my little night-light, straying dangerously into the insulting other members territory. There's none so dim as those who cannot see.

I'd take a ban for you Chippy boy, it's the least I could do.

Thatcher's bloody Britain!......

Still, we can laugh at the above, but we can't laugh at this.....

 

[west didsblue]

Ok so just a brief summary of the main parties


If you're voting Tory - You are a tax avoiding uncaring scumbag, you want to privatise the NHS and every other service, you believe sick people should be given a IKEA pack to build there own hospital beds and if you had the chance would tax your own Nan for using her wheelchair.


If you're voting Labour - You are jealous of the wealthiest and believe anyone rich should not be allowed to buy a house - you should be entitled to sit on your arse all day and get paid to watch Eggheads if you want - the minimum wage should be raised to £75 an hour, instead of cuts - we should pump £8000 billion into our NHS, schools and other services


If you're voting Lib Dems - You are a wet lettuce 'do gooder' that can't accept the Brexit vote.


If you're voting UKIP - you are not Racist 'but' ... believe Mosques should be burnt down, Muslims go back to there 'own country' (the ones born here should respect our laws) Everyone should have a St George's tattoo on there forehead and be able to sing 'England till I die' in foreign looking faces.


If you're voting Greens - You believe that leaving the bread in the toaster for too long will result in pollution, you are probably vegetarian and gay.


If you're voting SNP - you are Scottish, you hate England, you want to be independent but believe England should pay for everything in Scotland - you will watch Braveheart the night before the election downing bottles of Irn Bru in your uncles Kilt

Sums it up apart from a few minor amendments
Tories - you'd have to pay for your Ikea pack or make do with a cardboard box.
Labour - anyone earning over £15k should pay 95% in tax
Greens - everyone should have a beard, especially the women

 

[CitizenTID]

No one wants an unfair society but taxation is theft.
so how do have a fair society without taxation?

oh you dont mean that because you contradict that statement in the next paragraph, where you say there is a fair level of taxation, which cant be true if taxation is theft.

To be be fair I dont think all tories are evil. I think they are wrong. I think the outcome of their policies are in some cases evil. I think some tories are evil and know the outcome of their policies will be evil. I think the underlying Tory world view is that the poor are poor because they deserve to be and the rich are rich because they deserve to be.

Is it morally superior to want to keep more of your money by paying lower taxes,leading to death and suffering within this country?

I agree with your bits about the Tories absolutely, it's the same as Lord vs. Peasant mentality in many ways.

The idea that taxation is theft though is absurd, it's co-operation - society supporting each other. Without tax how does the country pay for the NHS, cleaning roads, bin men, councils etc. etc. etc. It'd be the wild west without tax.

 

[Chippy_boy]

actually no.

he did say that its a trade off but he also said taxation is theft.
they are contradictory positions.
He may well have meant high taxation beyond a certain point is theft but its not what he said.

Moot point. In any other walk of life if you have some money and someone else takes it off you without your consent, what do you call it?

So I suppose I would only call "theft" money being taken at a rate or level higher than which you personally would consent to.

Does that mean I think taxation is unnecessary? No, of course it is necessary. We need to balance this undesirable act of taking peoples' money off them, with the objectives of maintaining a fair and decent society where no-one should suffer like it's a 3rd world country.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Perhaps if his policies weren't so daft, people wouldn't think like that. Just a thought, like.

That would be it, right.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I agree with your bits about the Tories absolutely, it's the same as Lord vs. Peasant mentality in many ways.

The idea that taxation is theft though is absurd, it's co-operation - society supporting each other. Without tax how does the country pay for the NHS, cleaning roads, bin men, councils etc. etc. etc. It'd be the wild west without tax.

Of course. I said the fair rate was somewhere between 0% and 100%, did I not.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Hahahah jesus wept you're tiresome.

You're not the enemy within, you're just wrong.

And I'm reliably informed that despite all evidence to the contrary you're sentient.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Still, we can laugh at the above, but we can't laugh at this.....

FFS