Hamann Pineapple
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Anyone know which company is responsible for counting election votes ?
General Election June 8th
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gordondaviesmoustache
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I know the feeling.
I'd love a Prime Minister that didn't have his or her head shoved all the way up the arsehole of the US President.
gordondaviesmoustache
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It's the same one that works united's attendances out.
I'm With Stupid
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National debt has risen 53% since the Tories have been in power. If that's the reason you're voting for them, I'm afraid you've been conned. In fact, in the last 70 years, the Tories have always borrowed more than Labour on average.
Debt rose gradually under the last Labour government, but obviously the financial crash was the main cause, when we bailed out the bank. But what you can see in the graph is that the Tories have literally done the square root of fuck all to stop this upward trend in their time in power, and in fact, since they have been elected by themselves, it's actually gone slightly up again.
M18CTID
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Agree about the police numbers and it's been annoying me this past week or so. In an ideal world, something more would've been done about known jihadis too but I honestly don't think Corbyn would've done a better job on that as it seems our hands are somewhat tied with what action we can legally take. Ridiculous I know, but I doubt it would be any different under a different government. Jezza would probably invite them round for a brew and a chat knowing him (yes, I'm being facetious there but it's not unreasonable to think he'd take an even softer stance on this than the Tories have).
Magicpole
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Most people you ever hear saying, 'they're all the same' usually tell you they don't vote for that reason. It's a cop out, they think this justifies this position as if saying it abdicates them from understanding what they are actually saying.
This, I am ashamed to say, is more prominent in certain parts of the working class. This of course suits the right. They know we are all not the same, they always turn out to vote to ensure the things they want to happen, or even, and more importantly, what they don't want to happen.
If you look at the numbers of people who don't vote, they come overwhelmingly from the ranks of the poorest areas, the very areas you would think had the most to gain from political involvement.
I have always felt more of a connection through shared experience with working class people throughout the rest of the UK, than I do with a third of my own people here in Scotland.
You will hear people talk about the Nats up here, as if they are right wing and rampantly xenophobic. This is a lie and is generated by the same forces that crucify Corbyn. The truth is rather different. We have moved to the SNP because up until now Labour have been right wing. The vast majority of the support for the SNP are former Labour voters. I used to be a member but the party moved to the right, then up here they stood 'Shoulder to shoulder' with the Tories during the Indy ref and Project Fear.
This was an act of betrayal of the working class and any glance at electoral results shows you how they have paid for their collaboration.
As I said to my pal who is a labour councillor, the French don't hate the Germans any more but they still hate the Collaborators.
The great thing that came out of the Ref was it energised the people to become more politically aware. Every age group except the old voted in a majority Yes. The fact the oldest voted for a future the young didn't want caused a lot of anger here.
The Labour Party has now moved to the left, but the dynamics of Brexit, eternal Tory rule and the need to have a group of MP's fighting our corner means SNP will still win a maj of seats. It won't be the 57 out of 59 we did last time, but still a big majority and that will be people who like Corbyn. Who support him, we want him to win and will support every measure in a vote, but we need to do that from a position of strength.
We don't want Brexit at all. That is why we need a left wing group fighting our corner but allies to any other left party against the Tories.
The problem of their all the same, is not so prevelant here, but we have plenty who chime that as an excuse. They moan like fuck but do nothing about it. I always say, if you vote you might not get what you hope for, but if you don't, you definitely won't.
It is even more alarming when you look at the effects of austerity to these communities, yet they have the lowest turnouts. It's as if they have been anithsetised into a docile accepting mindset that they pass into their kids.
Corbyn has not surprised me in the least. The reason is I knew that the strategy of the right wing media was to demonise him because they knew the current set up they want would be under threat. The fact so many people adopted that same mindset is a measure of two things. The power of their manipulation and secondly more worrying, the fact people do not realise this, do not look at what he says, but accept the right wing narrative of what he means and this is always negative.
People are now saying, Corbyn has done well. Corbyn has been inspiring. Corbyn has gone up in my estimation.
He's changed.
He hasn't changed. He is the same man, saying the same things, it's only that we have had more access to actually hearing him without the filter of right wing propoganda.
I have said in another post that the opposite of being weak is Corbyn. To endure all he has had to from the press, from right wing traitors in his party, to demonising him for having dialogue with those who wish us harm in the knowledge that only dialogue ends conflict, history is on his side.
I respect and admire his balls of steel for coming through all that and still fighting to make people's lives better. Those very people who say they are all the same. They are not all the same.
Ok we might not win the fights we need to. We may not achieve all we want for the country, but surely there is enough about us to take to the field. To fight, to turn up and say, fuck you, this isn't fair, we might not defeat you, but we will fucking take you on.
That's how I see it. They want us all to think it's pointless. Well, it's not pointless unless we walk away from that fight.
That saddens me the most.
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Well... Corbyn who is 'weaker' on security will increase police numbers by 10,000
She has only very recently announced changing laws, a week before the election - she had been home secretary for a number of years and has sat on her arse whilst we have let people fighting in Syria back into our country, allowed Islamic hate preachers to radicalize potential terrorists, Christ, even channel 4 did a documentary about Khuram Butt who went and killed loads of people last week - whatever she says now is too late in my opinion.
I really hope Paul Nuttal gets elected in Boston, I think we need him in Parliament putting the government (whoever it is) to task.
Having no UKIP is not good. As like them or not, they forced David Cameron to give people a choice of a Referendum.
Having no UKIP is not good. As like them or not, they forced David Cameron to give people a choice of a Referendum.
Hard brexit will be very painful. But ratcheting up corpration tax just as we leave the EU doesn't seem too clever either.
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