General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%
  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%

  • Total voters
    656
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Muddying waters fact is Labour utilised PFI, I am not a Tory but you are obviously a Guardian reading, Owen Jones loving zealot, who needs to look at the mirror, sad really people letting political dogma cloud their judgement, I wonder why the thread over your head had not snapped and let the sword drop on your deluded head.

It's genuinely pathetic how you can't just own up to a really simple mistake and instead are attempting to bend loops around it.

That's the exact word for it too - pathetic. Is your ego so wrapped up in not being seen as wrong on what is such an inconsequential matter on a football forum that you have to go to these ridiculous lengths? This exchange might be one of the saddest things I've seen on here in a while.
 
Look, I am not arguing here, I don't vote for politicians, can't stand the bastards, however, the NHS needs some kind of reform. The initial 1948 model, great for the time, despite numerous reorganitional changes is not fit for purpose. Continually throwing money at the problem solves nothing. I will give you an example of wasted resource, GP appointments, my local medical centre had over 200 missed appointments last month, wasting time and resources.
I put it to you, if there was a refundable five pound charge, this number would be reduced dramatically, please don't insult my intelligence by saying a fiver is excessive. This is just a small example where progress can be made. My other half was a HR Manager in NHS for twent years, and he says Labour fucked things up with the GP contracts, removing weekends and the on call facility. Like I said I don't give a fuck for tories but don't anybody tell me labour are any better!
I can't disagree with your point. I agree that the current model is not sustainable in the long term and a different system is required. The idea of a refundable charge, for both GP and A&E attendance is is not unreasonable, and if your reason for attendance meets the criteria, your money is refunded. The point is though that this needs to be an NHS service, not a private service. We know what the Tory view is, I am not saying that paying is wrong, just that we need to pay the NHS, not Richard Branson.
 
Home Sec is absolutely the worst role for Abbott if she has to have one, where she can do most damage with her dizziness, idiocy and ego

I agree but aren't the Tories just as shit. On earlier political threads (e.g. Brexit) Tory voters told us what a wonderful job Gove and May had done on prison reform. It has become clear more recently that our prisons are in a terrible state with record suicides amongst inmates and staff morale rock bottom.

Also, I read today that a Tory Coucillir used to be a gun runner for the IRA.
 
It's genuinely pathetic how you can't just own up to a really simple mistake and instead are attempting to bend loops around it.

That's the exact word for it too - pathetic. Is your ego so wrapped up in not being seen as wrong on what is such an inconsequential matter on a football forum that you have to go to these ridiculous lengths? This exchange might be one of the saddest things I've seen on here in a while.
That's because you have come up against somebody who will not be bullied by a left wing looney, I refuse to be bullied by your type, the kind of person who usually relies on the racist/phobic/far right insult to anybody who has the temerity to disagree with your so right on deluded views. You are stuck in a time warp my friend circa 1930 , wise up rapido.
 
I can't disagree with your point. I agree that the current model is not sustainable in the long term and a different system is required. The idea of a refundable charge, for both GP and A&E attendance is is not unreasonable, and if your reason for attendance meets the criteria, your money is refunded. The point is though that this needs to be an NHS service, not a private service. We know what the Tory view is, I am not saying that paying is wrong, just that we need to pay the NHS, not Richard Branson.
Fair point mate.
 
A communist? Wow! I think you we're meant to type socialist.

Whether you like it or not our foreign policy has been a shocker. Afghanistan has t been a success as we are still fighting there. Thousands of innocents have died.

Missed Yemen also.

Hardly a "wow!" Thing to say. Communism is just considered a strong flavour of socialism. I did use the term communist to exaggerate my point though I will admit.

I didn't say it had been good, it clearly hasn't but again it was mostly under Labour the things you've stated and Afghanistan is/was the right thing to do. The consequences of not reducing the Taliban's control would have resulted in far more innocents dying.

Yemen was too obvious to answer. With you on that one and the sooner we stop working with the Saudi's, the better.
 
I agree but aren't the Tories just as shit. On earlier political threads (e.g. Brexit) Tory voters told us what a wonderful job Gove and May had done on prison reform. It has become clear more recently that our prisons are in a terrible state with record suicides amongst inmates and staff morale rock bottom.

Also, I read today that a Tory Coucillir used to be a gun runner for the IRA.
The attitude Abbott would take into such a role genuinely scares me. I think it's clear the Tories have been very good at lying and conning people but big cracks are showing in that now so hopefully people are seeing it. So clear the Tories are selling the country out to the highest bidder at every turn, they're a genuine threat to the country we know and I don't see how more people don't see we need to be rid of them before they do irreversible damage.

Despite seeing right through her, I also used to think May came across as a strong leader but she's completely shown otherwise recently cracking under pressure from journalist questions.
 
The majority of what you've mentioned is down to the Labour Party of 97-2010.

Afghanistan has worked and worked extremely well. The Taliban are a fraction of what they were and have lost so much control.

Syria, unfortunately there's a murdering **** dictator who we're having to juggle stopping him killing innocent people and fighting ISIS - really not anything we could do better there without pissing the Russians off.

I will give you Iraq as if we were to go in, which I now believe we shouldn't have, we should have stayed for much longer and not left it to the fanatics.

I will also give you Libya. Quite disgraceful how The West played games there.

Not all the refugees are our fault though, it's so easy to blame the west for every fault in the Middle East and North Africa, and you'd be right with some of it, but a lot of the fault also has to lie with Bronze Age religious beliefs and lunatic dictators.

Because you believe politics has shifted too far to the right, doesn't mean a communist who's lax on terrorism should be put in charge.

The Taliban or Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan as they now refer themselves.

Now, when you look things up to learn, you learn allsorts of interesting things.
One of them being the "commie who is lax on terrorism" is not in the same league as our terrorist supporting government.

Aside from having an ex IRA member in their ranks, and having spoken with the IRA for around a decade before Corbyn came on the scene, they do not consider the Taliban a terrorist group.
Seriously, they dont. Here is their latest list. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...nt_data/file/612076/20170503_Proscription.pdf
Throw in the fact they knew Libyans were wandering about and had been part of terrorist groups, they repeatedly did nothing.
Yes, repeatedly, by the intelligence services AND Muslims.
Vote for them filthy fuckers. Not. a. chance.
 
The attitude Abbott would take into such a role genuinely scares me. I think it's clear the Tories have been very good at lying and conning people but big cracks are showing in that now so hopefully people are seeing it. So clear the Tories are selling the country out to the highest bidder at every turn, they're a genuine threat to the country we know and I don't see how more people don't see we need to be rid of them before they do irreversible damage.

Despite seeing right through her, I also used to think May came across as a strong leader but she's completely shown otherwise recently cracking under pressure from journalist questions.

Good post mate

The school dinner snatching and the Dementia Tax has undermined the faith I had in May. I though she made a good start as PM but has now shown her nasty Tory colours.
 
That's because you have come up against somebody who will not be bullied by a left wing looney, I refuse to be bullied by your type, the kind of person who usually relies on the racist/phobic/far right insult to anybody who has the temerity to disagree with your so right on deluded views. You are stuck in a time warp my friend circa 1930 , wise up rapido.
You're actually a psychopath
 
Good post mate

The school dinner snatching and the Dementia Tax has undermined the faith I had in May. I though she made a good start as PM but has now shown her nasty Tory colours.
Also just contrast her now with that bullshit speech she made when she became PM about being the daughter of a vicar, for the families that are struggling etc. Disgusting woman.
 
Also just contrast her now with that bullshit speech she made when she became PM about being the daughter of a vicar, for the families that are struggling etc. Disgusting woman.

i often wonder if she used sit with her Dad and sing

All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful:
The Lord God made them all.
Each little fox we rip open,
etc etc
 
i often wonder if she used sit with her Dad and sing

All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful:
The Lord God made them all.
Each little fox we rip open,
etc etc

The fox hunting green lights shows how despicable they are.
 
Yes the most important thing to worry about fucking foxes, nurse....

yes, it is quite amazing with Brexit, terrorism, the aging population problem, the NHS, zero hour contracts, the gig economy, the rent / homer owner balance, the homeless and all the other issues under discussion, some tit in the government though bringing back Fox hunting was an important vote winner. Sadly, there will be some bellends that vote for them.
 
The Taliban or Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan as they now refer themselves.

Now, when you look things up to learn, you learn allsorts of interesting things.
One of them being the "commie who is lax on terrorism" is not in the same league as our terrorist supporting government.

Aside from having an ex IRA member in their ranks, and having spoken with the IRA for around a decade before Corbyn came on the scene, they do not consider the Taliban a terrorist group.
Seriously, they dont. Here is their latest list. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...nt_data/file/612076/20170503_Proscription.pdf
Throw in the fact they knew Libyans were wandering about and had been part of terrorist groups, they repeatedly did nothing.
Yes, repeatedly, by the intelligence services AND Muslims.
Vote for them filthy fuckers. Not. a. chance.

And what's your point with the name change?

We're talking about here and now and Corbyn has said he's against tackling IS abroad and is "uneasy" about police shooting dead people carrying out terrorist attacks. That's far worse than what's being proposed. He, as well as that clown Abbott, also have IRA links to their past, however that's not my point and wasn't in the post you've quoted.

That's a ridiculously cheap point to make as they're not on the list due to diplomatic processes that are now taking place between the US, Afghan government and the Taliban. Whilst they do commit terrorist acts, Washington believes it'd be detrimental to peace negotiations and we've supported that.

Libyans were "wandering around"? Well put them in jail then, why should they be walking? The bomber was from fucking Manchester and hadn't committed a crime previously. They are constantly stopping terror attacks and have done far better than our nearest neighbours. It's a difficult game when you're monitoring 3,000 people at anyone time whilst adhering, correctly too, to basic civil rights. You cannot throw criminals in jail before you've got evidence of the crime.

The difference between me and you is that you're blinkered and can't see past your political team. You vote red whatever the case and the Tories will always be scum to you, no matter what they do. Whereas I've voted both Labour and Tory.
 
Please spell it correctly, haha numb nuts, anybody disagrees with you is a physco fucking brilliant I know it's half term but this is ridiculous haha, let me guess moss side comprehensively educated ;-)

The word you're accusing him him of misspelling has a silent 'p' at the beginning, not a hard 'f' as you have proposed in your spelling.

Hence, I shall let you figure out whom spelt what correctly.

Spell checker might be a good idea to embellish your 'battle'.

Anyway, carry on as you were.

There's a good chap...
 
yes, it is quite amazing with Brexit, terrorism, the aging population problem, the NHS, zero hour contracts, the gig economy, the rent / homer owner balance, the homeless and all the other issues under discussion, some tit in the government though bringing back Fox hunting was an important vote winner. Sadly, there will be some bellends that vote for them.

Brexit isn't a minus it's a plus and people who vote Tory are not bellends, they are people left without an opposition to vote for and that's Labours fault because it's their job to win votes by convincing voters to vote for them.
 
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