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General UFC thread
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yeseye
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I’m not keen on any of them tbh,
i think they’re a pair of cunts.
But Khabib was already in the crowd fighting with Mcgregors team when that other buffoon tried to vault the cage so Mcgregor stuck one on him, fair fucks to him.
The whole sorry episode was no more then handbags.
That other Big daft russian fella in the other fight, ffs, he had the fight won,
get on your toes for the last 20 seconds not stand in front of that fella looking at the clouds!
i think they’re a pair of cunts.
But Khabib was already in the crowd fighting with Mcgregors team when that other buffoon tried to vault the cage so Mcgregor stuck one on him, fair fucks to him.
The whole sorry episode was no more then handbags.
That other Big daft russian fella in the other fight, ffs, he had the fight won,
get on your toes for the last 20 seconds not stand in front of that fella looking at the clouds!
Scottyboi
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Haha!
Yeah, Volkov, I think his name is!
Yeah, can't sleep on Lewis as he's one of two genuine K.O. punchers-out-of-nowhere, in the UFC. He was looking like he was out on his feet so Volkov got brave!
Lewis says he ain't looking for a shot at the title until he can train more than an hour in the gym for cardio! Half an hour sessions got him to where he currently is!!
LOL!!
People said exactly the same re: Diaz.
Believe what you believe, man.
I don't count McG out for nothing with the stand up game and ability to learn, that he has.
Lewis interview was funny as fuck would be a top piss up with him, hope he goes on rogans podcast like he said.
Bigga
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Lewis interview was funny as fuck would be a top piss up with him, hope he goes on rogans podcast like he said.
Yeah, I'll watch out for that, too!!
LOL!
Scottyboi
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Yeah, I'll watch out for that, too!!
LOL!
Why you stripped on in the cage?
My balls are hot hahaha. I really thought his eyes were gone after that first round and that his orbital had gone.
Bigga
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Why you stripped on in the cage?
My balls are hot hahaha. I really thought his eyes were gone after that first round and that his orbital had gone.
Dana White heard about the stripping in the octagon and he just shook his head, flabbergasted and said "he's interesting, isn't he?!"
Derrick Lewis reminds me of a ready made comedy sketch.
He could be in 'Atlanta' as himself!
shevtheblue
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Assume you mean he learns between fights, i agree that is a big thing but the amount of time he has to catch up is not enough IMO. You have to remember, every single fighter he has come up against knows what Khabib is going to do, he doesn't hide the facts and he doesn't set them up in some magical way, there is some cuteness to it but it's basically just technique.I have respect for your opinion, but you seem to dismiss that McGregor actually learns. That's quite a crucial aspect in MMA. He'll make the adjustment, he'll get his cardio right up. The second Diaz fight that when he doesn't think he can walk through walls, he notches up, he has something to prove to himself.
That "Good knock. I want a rematch" tweet from McGregor actually shows where his head's at. That wasn't days or weeks after, that was in hours and that, Shev, is self belief restored.
I don't know where Nurmagomedov goes from here, if I'm honest as he's showed his hand and there isn't 'more to come' as you might expect, but just the same kind of grind.
The third round showed me that if McGregor can sprawl through the chains, he would dishearten Nurmagomedov enough to keep this on the feet, like Iaquinta showed the world.
I think McGregor's chance has just improved massively.
I will say, though, in the future a fighter can't have two years off and walk into a title fight. I don't care how good you were, there should always be a 'tune up' fight from 14 months out, at least.
The second Diaz fight he had just figured that he can't/most likely won't stop Diaz and that he needs to pace himself better, you saw after exchanges he would step back a bit and there were times in the fight he was actually circling away and running to reset (you'll remember Diaz mocking him for it, in order to get a rise out of Connor). In this fight that wasn't a factor, he was exhausted by Khabib in the same way every other fighter has been. IMHO and again i could be completely off, Connor's stance is open for the single ankle pick and then it's it's open for engagement once you get him to commit. He will make changes to be more patient and not commit too much but i don't see how that works for his style. He will always want a rematch, he's a soldier and a proud man.
In the third round there wasn't really a sprawl (IMO) but more of a controlling of Khabib's left hand to try and nullify the action. He could try that again in a second fight but Khabib has different setups for it and i'm not totally convinced that he was committing 100% to the takedowns because there is another gear to the chain when someone is holding your arm and circling or holding your arm with their back on the cage the next chain is to go high and then low to break the hold.
There are only two fighters that i can think of that can improve in that short space of time to accentuate their own style and they are GSP and Jon Jones, they are aliens but they also have a certain base style and natural athleticism that promotes that.
Agree on the last part and again the only guys that have managed to do that and come straight in to fight a top level guy (and Bisping is/was top level no matter what anyone thinks about him) are GSP and Jon Jones. Connor is good, in fact Connor is world class but those two are elite level, like the Ronaldo and Messi of the sport IMO.
shevtheblue
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I think Derrick earned himself a lot of fans after that last fight. His Instagram is hilarious.Dana White heard about the stripping in the octagon and he just shook his head, flabbergasted and said "he's interesting, isn't he?!"
Derrick Lewis reminds me of a ready made comedy sketch.
He could be in 'Atlanta' as himself!
Bigga
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Assume you mean he learns between fights, i agree that is a big thing but the amount of time he has to catch up is not enough IMO. You have to remember, every single fighter he has come up against knows what Khabib is going to do, he doesn't hide the facts and he doesn't set them up in some magical way, there is some cuteness to it but it's basically just technique.
The second Diaz fight he had just figured that he can't/most likely won't stop Diaz and that he needs to pace himself better, you saw after exchanges he would step back a bit and there were times in the fight he was actually circling away and running to reset (you'll remember Diaz mocking him for it, in order to get a rise out of Connor). In this fight that wasn't a factor, he was exhausted by Khabib in the same way every other fighter has been. IMHO and again i could be completely off, Connor's stance is open for the single ankle pick and then it's it's open for engagement once you get him to commit. He will make changes to be more patient and not commit too much but i don't see how that works for his style. He will always want a rematch, he's a soldier and a proud man.
In the third round there wasn't really a sprawl (IMO) but more of a controlling of Khabib's left hand to try and nullify the action. He could try that again in a second fight but Khabib has different setups for it and i'm not totally convinced that he was committing 100% to the takedowns because there is another gear to the chain when someone is holding your arm and circling or holding your arm with their back on the cage the next chain is to go high and then low to break the hold.
There are only two fighters that i can think of that can improve in that short space of time to accentuate their own style and they are GSP and Jon Jones, they are aliens but they also have a certain base style and natural athleticism that promotes that.
Agree on the last part and again the only guys that have managed to do that and come straight in to fight a top level guy (and Bisping is/was top level no matter what anyone thinks about him) are GSP and Jon Jones. Connor is good, in fact Connor is world class but those two are elite level, like the Ronaldo and Messi of the sport IMO.
I'm intrigued, now, about why you think Iaquinta constantly stood up as well as stopped the later take downs of Nurmagomedov, if he's this machine you claim him, outright, to be...?
You know, the more I think about it, the more I think McGregor had a huge adrenaline dump in the fight. There were times when they were up, that his accuracy was off and his attempted punches looked like slow-mo. That comes from pure inactivity from the octagon. Sparring will never replicate the octagon.
This is why I believe the outcome will be different, should a second fight ever happen.
Sure, I agree McGregor will never reach the heights of Nurmagomedov's wrestling over the course in-between the potential re-match, but he doesn't have to. He just needs to block some the chains and keep on the feet.
That means enduring the grind in training, so he has to have the will to go there.
If not, his 'legacy' is finished and there's no coming back from that.
shevtheblue
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I'm glad we're talking about the fight now instead of the circus :)I'm intrigued, now, about why you think Iaquinta constantly stood up as well as stopped the later take downs of Nurmagomedov, if he's this machine you claim him, outright, to be...?
You know, the more I think about it, the more I think McGregor had a huge adrenaline dump in the fight. There were times when they were up, that his accuracy was off and his attempted punches looked like slow-mo. That comes from pure inactivity from the octagon. Sparring will never replicate the octagon.
This is why I believe the outcome will be different, should a second fight ever happen.
Sure, I agree McGregor will never reach the heights of Nurmagomedov's wrestling over the course in-between the potential re-match, but he doesn't have to. He just needs to block some the chains and keep on the feet.
That means enduring the grind in training, so he has to have the will to go there.
If not, his 'legacy' is finished and there's no coming back from that.
So w.r.t Laquinta, he was taken down at will and throughout his career he has shown his a good wrestling base. I don't believe you can take that fight as a context for judging Khabib's takedown acumen as he has shown that he can, consistently, takedown fighters throughout his career. If you can name me a fighter that had any period of success (bar a Michael Johnson shot that is wildly overrated by Rogan) then i'm all ears.
Agree his accuracy was off, but he's not usually worrying about being taken down as much. The only pure bread wrestler he fought was Mendes and he double legged him and kept him there (IIRC) and then clearly gassed. Eddie Alvares is a great wrestler but he's never chosen to use that skill in his fights, he's ALWAYS been hit-able and that was clearly going to be a bad match up against a sniper like Connor.
I do agree that he can defo improve on his wrestling defence if just to nullify some of the attempts, but the KEY to everything IMO would be to learn more than hip escapes and learning to not fall into Khabib's traps after he takes him down. I think Khabib has sufficient enough understanding of the stand up game to last there and an overwhelming advantage in the clinch to control the fight.
I'm sure you've already listened to the JRE with Coach Kavanaugh, looks like they had analysed Khabib and knew they would be in certain positions but couldn't stop them.
As for legacy, i think Connor's legacy is cemented win or lose. The fight i REALLY want to see is his vs Holloway because the first was a good scrap and Holloway has improved a lot since that fight and so has Connor.