George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

[Proy]

Can you see how your rush to be impartial damages victims? Why give Chauvin the benefit of the doubt when you already acknowledge there is a problem

Plus what if race informs that history?

Im not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt. Black or white. The cop is a cuñt, and would have killed anyone in his way.

Those pushing this a racial crime are the ones doing divide and conquer.

 

[mrbelfry]

Objective is my middle name.

I don’t argue my point in extremes. In fact I haven’t even quantified my opinion today, I’ve only said I don’t believe this was a race related killing.

Hence the line of challenges I’ve had.

It’s the same reason the protests become riots. Because that opinion is the only one that matters and everyone else is wrong outside of it.

I don’t like that.

This is a democratic world where people have different takes on specific situations.

It doesn’t mean I don’t acknowledge the very clear issue with black treatment in America

It just means I don’t agree with it in this instance.

You dont agree based on no more or no less insight than anyone else but you're default is race wasnt an issue in this instance. Can you see how that is not a neutral position?

 

[Proy]

Do you honestly think you will ever see a white yank officer murder a white man in the street whilst looking like he was thinking about what to have for tea and allowed by 2/3 other officers,being filmed doing it?

I do yes.

 

[ManCitizens.]

I think this is difficult. It's not like the Arbery case where a witness claims to have heard a racial slur shouted at the victim.

However, it seems routine, in attack, like we've seen against some protesters posted online, all of which I seem to notice are Black. It's also in the callous nature Chauvin treats the victim.

It's nonchalant and deeply uncaring of the end result.

It's just not definitive and hard to prove in a court of law.

Doesn’t he have something like 18 complaints filed against him? Hopefully those will go some way to proving his motivation as it’s clear as day.

I found this on CNN... According to Communities Against Police Brutality, a Minnesota nonprofit that created a database of complaints against officers in the state, Chauvin received oral reprimands for using a "demeaning tone," "derogatory language" and other language that merited discipline.

I’d imagine if any of the demeaning or derogatory language used during past incidents was racial in any way proving this should be much easier.

 

[Proy]

You dont agree based on no more or no less insight than anyone else but you're default is race wasnt an issue in this instance. Can you see how that is not a neutral position?

No less neutral than you pushing this as a race crime, alongside many others.

 

[Ban-jani]

Not sure if he took exception to you calling him “George Lloyd”? Only explanation I can think of, although presumably it was a predictive text issue.

Bollocks just realised that.

 

[Bigga]

You dont agree based on no more or no less insight than anyone else but you're default is race wasnt an issue in this instance. Can you see how that is not a neutral position?

Unfortunately, unless DA Keith Ellison finds enough evidence to do so, he won't be charged with a 'hate crime' in order to define this as a racially targeted murder.

 

[Ban-jani]

you should know better

Eh?

 

[inchy14]

Because they have a history. Unproven. But to me it constitutes a history and therefore a motive.

The cop was killing whoever pissed on his chips. Black or white. I don’t wish to make this a race debate because I don’t believe this case was one.

However, that isn’t to say there isn’t a deep routed and societal American culture issue around the way black people are treated.

Sorry but that’s bollocks, he killed him because he was black, history or not, he thought he’d get away with it because of it too.

 

[Ban-jani]

Good to see you back pal. If I was you I’d log off again for a few months.

Haha thanks mate. Hope you’re well.

Back for a few hours, haven’t even argued with anyone yet and been told to fuck off already XD

 

[Proy]

Why this is quite a liveley, interesting and civil discussion we are having.

Shirley you can see that some institutional racism was involved after the death in ignoring the event until people kicked off

Institutional racism is very prevalent in America. It’s horrific.

But no, I don’t see it in this case. I see a man with a criminal history vs a bent copper where both have a past.

This was a killing like many. In my opinion, it had nothing to do with George being black.

 

[Bigga]

Doesn’t he have something like 18 complaints filed against him? Hopefully those will go some way to proving his motivation as it’s clear as day.

I found this on CNN... According to Communities Against Police Brutality, a Minnesota nonprofit that created a database of complaints against officers in the state, Chauvin received oral reprimands for using a "demeaning tone," "derogatory language" and other language that merited discipline.

I’d imagine if any of the demeaning or derogatory language used during past incidents was racial in any way proving this should be much easier.

In fact, I will alter my last post; there IS no 'Hate Crime' definition in Minnesota.

Chauvin can't be charged with a law that's not there.

 

[Ban-jani]

Sorry but that’s bollocks, he killed him because he was black, history or not, he thought he’d get away with it because of it too.

If he did indeed know him, which is apparently highly disputed that it’s well enough to want to kill him, I think it’s got to be A) it’s racially motivated or B) he thought he’d get away with it because Mr Floyd was black.

Either way the reason he’s dead is because of his skin colour, however mental that sounds to a sane person.

 

[urban genie]

Institutional racism is very prevalent in America. It’s horrific.

But no, I don’t see it in this case. I see a man with a criminal history vs a bent copper where both have a past.

This was a killing like many. In my opinion, it had nothing to do with George being black.

I am on about post killing and the actions of his department heads and the local governance.

He basically got off with it hence why the anger swelled at another officer killing a black man and it being treated so casually

 

[Proy]

Sorry but that’s bollocks, he killed him because he was black, history or not, he thought he’d get away with it because of it too.

And I’m also sorry, because I view your perspective as bollocks too.

It’s horses for courses.

 

[urban genie]

Sensible policing

 

[mexico1970]

Sorry but that’s bollocks, he killed him because he was black, history or not, he thought he’d get away with it because of it too.

That much was patently obvious, it's one of the most painful watches and avoidable. He may have been a total arsehole but the cop is there to follow the law and instead he murdered him in front of everyone and not one of the cops with him stepped in to intervene.

A lot of people are making a point that pulling down statues here attacking police officers and Horses plus not giving a fig about this shitstorm of a virus is out of order, there are anarchists of every colour clouding what is a very serious issue and if this continues the general public will stop supporting what cause they were trying to promote.

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[Proy]

I am on about post killing and the actions of his department heads and the local governance.

He basically got off with it hence why the anger swelled at another officer killing a black man and it being treated so casually

Yeah the bit after was suspect.

Like I’ve said and I seem to keep saying it, there is clearly an issue with institutionalised racism in American police forces.

Not even going to start arguing against that.

But the delay doesn’t make the pigs motive for murder a race one.

The 2 may not be connected

 

[BobKowalski]

Im not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt. Black or white. The cop is a cuñt, and would have killed anyone in his way.

Those pushing this a racial crime are the ones doing divide and conquer.

I think cops killing black people with impunity for decades is a somewhat bigger driver of ‘divide and conquer’. And every now and then there is a protest against it and cities start burning. Frankly I’m always amazed they don’t burn more often.

And it’s racism because killing a black man for that cop and others like him is no big deal. It’s institutionalised racism because that is the way cops are trained to react. A black person is a threat and is to be neutralised. No exceptions. It’s how you get ten year old boys with toy guns getting shot dead by the police. It’s also institutionalised racism because when they do kill a black person they expect the system to back them up and exonerate them. And it does.