George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

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It's rare to see a peaceful revolution, perhaps Aquino in the Philippines is the one that comes to mind straight away.

And yes, a civil war amounts to a revolution as well. I do not know what the majority block of America thinks anymore - what I do recognize is that increasingly it is a dumbed down populace who are ignorant and il-equipped to even draw logical conclusions. There are racists/bigots across America, do they represent the majority? I would only be guessing and at the very least, it's substantial enough to thwart progress.

Perhaps America could use a civil war and divide up the country to leave the racists/bigots on one side and progressives in the other but that won't come about without a revolution and even less likely to happen peacefully. You create & foster a culture of violence then violence is what you will get
My take on what constitutes a revolution is when the majority are unhappy with the oppressive rule of the min
For any revolution to properly take hold and succeed it needs the broad support of the bourgeoisie. Don’t see that happening anytime soon, anywhere in the western world, but if wealth inequality continues along the same path, then in time, it might.
Agreed to a point, although that’s with reference to historical revolution precedent. America as is now is a whole new ball game, without precedent. There isn’t an underlying middle class rumbling. The middle classes in America are divided along party lines, and seem to be getting more and more entrenched.
 
If you can't even be bothered to look up the platform of the person running against Trump, it really does show how insincere you are, but as others might want to read it I'll post it anyway -


End of Mandatory minimums

End, once and for all, the federal crack and powder cocaine disparity

Decriminalize the use of cannabis and automatically expunge all prior cannabis use convictions

End all incarceration for drug use alone and instead divert individuals to drug courts and treatment.

Eliminate the death penalty

Use the president’s clemency power to secure the release of individuals facing unduly long sentences for certain non-violent and drug crimes.

End cash bail + Stop jailing people for being too poor to pay fines and fees

End the federal government’s use of private prisons, building off an Obama-Biden Administration’s policy rescinded by the Trump Administration. And, he will make clear that the federal government should not use private facilities for any detention, including detention of undocumented immigrants.



Now you might well say he won't actually do that, politicians never fulfil all their manifesto promises, but my answer would be he's sure as hell more likely to do it than the president who's advocating the opposite of every one of those policies and has done nothing but move social and justice reform backwards over the last 3 1/2 years.

You still don't see it! His tenure supported a good 80% of this stuff he's now "against"!

He's considering Sen. Klobuchar, WHO WAS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ALLOWING DEREK CHAUVIN TO KEEP HIS JOB and go on to murder Mr Floyd. He's also considering Sen. Harris, who is almost as bad!

He has no real Progressive options he wants to consider.

That's not 'hope', that's pandering to the people in order to keep the status quo.
 
You still don't see it! His tenure supported a good 80% of this stuff he's now "against"!

He's considering Sen. Klobuchar, WHO WAS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ALLOWING DEREK CHAUVIN TO KEEP HIS JOB and go on to murder Mr Floyd. He's also considering Sen. Harris, who is almost as bad!

He has no real Progressive options he wants to consider.

That's not 'hope', that's pandering to the people in order to keep the status quo.

It's hilarious that you will cite how almost all the people who supported the 94' bill are now against it as proof it was terrible, but as soon as that person is Biden, he must be lying and he can't possibly have changed his opinion.
 
You still don't see it! His tenure supported a good 80% of this stuff he's now "against"!

He's considering Sen. Klobuchar, WHO WAS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ALLOWING DEREK CHAUVIN TO KEEP HIS JOB and go on to murder Mr Floyd. He's also considering Sen. Harris, who is almost as bad!

He has no real Progressive options he wants to consider.

That's not 'hope', that's pandering to the people in order to keep the status quo.
I thought this thread was about the murder of George Floyd, the riots that have followed and are still ongoing and the administrations response. It seems to have turned into another thread where you prattle on about Biden like he's relevant to this. Why don't you take your Biden hatred back to the Biden thread and leave this one to those that want to discuss the murder, the riots and Trump's incitement.​
 
It's hilarious that you will cite how almost all the people who supported the 94' bill are now against it as proof it was terrible, but as soon as that person is Biden, he must be lying and he can't possibly have changed his opinion.

You're not absorbing the information.

Biden is a neolib.

His 'position' will not change, essentially, which he's admitted to himself.

You SHOULD find that hilarious.
 
I thought this thread was about the murder of George Floyd, the riots that have followed and are still ongoing and the administrations response. It seems to have turned into another thread where you prattle on about Biden like he's relevant to this. Why don't you take your Biden hatred back to the Biden thread and leave this one to those that want to discuss the murder, the riots and Trump's incitement.​

It has moved on to to how the US gets better and what direction it should take. You think it's solely about Biden when it's about the DNC neolib position that will not change things, as a rule, going forward.

But, yeah, you're completely correct in your detective work, of course...
 
It has moved on to to how the US gets better and what direction it should take. You think it's solely about Biden when it's about the DNC neolib position that will not change things, as a rule, going forward.

But, yeah, you're completely correct in your detective work, of course...
It's a no brainer how things get better.

Get rid of the source of the incitement. Get rid of the man who supported armed attacks on state legislatures yet is encouraging the police to shoot dead protestors against racially motivated murder. Get rid of the man who said there were some fine people amongst the fascists and racists in Charlottesville yet has labelled those that oppose them as terrorists.

It's quite fucking simple. Get rid of Trump. Anything else will be better. What Biden agreed with in 1994 is totally irrelevant and a distraction.
 
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