George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

You're right and this is such a powderkeg and different to other incidents because it's not just about 1 police officer doing something, it's revealed systemic malpractice & corruption by the police, attorney general and even judiciary over multiple parts of the story.


1) The no-knock warrant was not appropriate in any way. The entire process from officers to judge are implicated in that.

2) The police lied repeatedly on the official reports, about there being no forced entry (despite a battering ram being used) about announcing themselves (Walker and all the neighbours have unanimously said this was a lie) and they even attempted to not list Taylor's injuries.

3) They arrested Walker despite him legally defending his home from armed intruders - and then kept him in prison and charged him which was an astoundingly bad decision over a period of weeks involving the police, and the attorney general.

4) Louisville PD tried to coerce the ex-boyfriend drug dealer into naming her as a co-conspirator in order to justify her death.

5) After making police body camera's a requirement after her death, they turned off their cameras when they killed David McAtee a few months later.

6) They handle the fallout terribly, don't come up with anything for 7 months, and then make any kind of public protest illegal with curfews etc.

and the upshot will be more protesting - BLM or otherwise - the whole justice system there is corrupt. Nothing will change until it changes and it can't change until they accept that from within so they can make those changes
 
I am also someone that appreciates accuracy but it does seem the actual horrific, unconscionable nature of these types of incidents often get muddled in scrutiny of language used to describe them.

But that is a larger issue not isolated to this thread or Bluemoon, and it is more often intentional these days (as a means to obfuscate, diminish, and normalise).
Well, in as much as the above might be true. It is NOT in this case.

There is a big difference between someone getting killed in the hallway where initial shots were fired from vs being killed while asleep in bed in an area unrelated to where the gunfire exchange occurred.

If you cannot see that, you really shouldn't be discussing this topic.
 
and the upshot will be more protesting - BLM or otherwise - the whole justice system there is corrupt. Nothing will change until it changes and it can't change until they accept that from within so they can make those changes
"They" are the problem and ipso facto cannot be relied upon to find, much less implement the solution.
 
Well, in as much as the above might be true. It is NOT in this case.

There is a big difference between someone getting killed in the hallway where initial shots were fired from vs being killed while asleep in bed in an area unrelated to where the gunfire exchange occurred.

If you cannot see that, you really shouldn't be discussing this topic.
Oh Dax, take a couple of steps back and a few deep breaths mate. You may be semantically correct but that's it. If all you are focusing on is whether or not she was in bed or not then maybe you shouldn't be discussing this topic.
 
Well, in as much as the above might be true. It is NOT in this case.

There is a big difference between someone getting killed in the hallway where initial shots were fired from vs being killed while asleep in bed in an area unrelated to where the gunfire exchange occurred.

If you cannot see that, you really shouldn't be discussing this topic.

Its not just about the events its the judicial response. If the response was realistic the events would change. Every action has a corresponding reaction. If people holding and firing weapons knew that their deployment had real consequences the initial response would be more considered. If you cannot see that...........well you know how it ends
 
Oh Dax, take a couple of steps back and a few deep breaths mate. You may be semantically correct but that's it. If all you are focusing on is whether or not she was in bed or not then maybe you shouldn't be discussing this topic.
Semantically indeed, especially as I have already said I was using it as a shorthand to describe the initial state of the incident, not a literal account of a specific moment she was shot.

But he is ignoring that and consistently, wilfully misreading in an attempt to “own” me in some way, is his and his sort’s way.

Back to what we were talking about with fixating on language rather than the actual horrific context of the incident.
 
Semantically indeed, especially as I have already said I was using it as a shorthand to describe the initial state of the incident, not a literal account of a specific moment she was shot.

But he is ignoring that and consistently, wilfully misreading in an attempt to “own” me in some way, is his and his sort’s way.

Back to what we were talking about with fixating on language rather than the actual horrific context of the incident.
This should not be lost amongst the noise.
 
Just watching a live stream looks like an officer been shot, everyone started running but could just be Chinese whispers. Police armed and ready to rumble tonight.
 

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