George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

[Damocles]

It just struck that the Police attend a call where a white man appears pissed and off his nut and who's wife reports he has an arsenal of weapons and it goes like that whereas the default when its a black man walking back to get into his car he gets shot in the back 9 times rather than being taken down.

Oh so you ARE really using two completely separate incidents by two completely separate forces in two completely separate places to try and spin some form of comparison?

And it's "the default" that a black man walking to his car gets shot? As in the thing that happens more often than not? Rather than just once and made international news when it did?

 

[Damocles]

Oh so you ARE really using two completely separate incidents by two completely separate forces in two completely separate places to try and spin some form of comparison?

And it's "the default" that a black man walking to his car gets shot? As in the thing that happens more often than not? Rather than just once and made international news when it did?

In fact continuing on from this, what did you WANT to happen?

The white guy to get shot? But people are protesting that the black guy got shot, so that's a bad thing right?

That the Police should shoot the white guy to be consistent rather than learning the thing that you're telling them that they need to learn?

Do you see how this entire shit breaks down when you put like 4 seconds of thought into it?

 

[Bigga]

So if I can provide a video of a white guy getting shot by the Police and a video of a black guy being asked nicely to drop a weapon, then that somehow in your mind is an actual point because one off incidents can now be used as "proof" of widescale societal issues can they?

Let me ask you, Dam, if the US Black community are in 'uproar' collectively speaking, of this 'differential treatment', would you say they're making shit up...??

 

[Bigga]

In fact continuing on from this, what did you WANT to happen?

The white guy to get shot? But people are protesting that the black guy got shot, so that's a bad thing right?

That the Police should shoot the white guy to be consistent rather than learning the thing that you're telling them that they need to learn?

Do you see how this entire shit breaks down when you put like 4 seconds of thought into it?

Or it shouldn't take constant video over YEARS to highlight handling of different demographics to urge non lethal engagement of either.

 

[blueinsa]

Oh so you ARE really using two completely separate incidents by two completely separate forces in two completely separate places to try and spin some form of comparison?

And it's "the default" that a black man walking to his car gets shot? As in the thing that happens more often than not? Rather than just once and made international news when it did?

Always good to have Damocles back.

 

[DrBlueBob]

So if I can provide a video of a white guy getting shot by the Police and a video of a black guy being asked nicely to drop a weapon, then that somehow in your mind is an actual point because one off incidents can now be used as "proof" of widescale societal issues can they?

In and of itself the video proves nothing to my mind apart from the fact that the US police can do a good job in defusing a situation. The problem for me is with the idea that if you could show the video would it provide the opposite proof, (I hope you get what I mean).

Obviously, again, your "alternative" videos would prove nothing but there seems to be a proliferation of such videos showing a certain difference in the way police approach situations involving different social strata or ethnicity.

The way that social media works I would fully expect people on the opposite side of the fence would put up many of their own videos showing the police in a more favourable light but that doesn't seem to be the case.

No proof here as you know but it it is interesting to note I feel.

 

[DrBlueBob]

In fact continuing on from this, what did you WANT to happen?

The white guy to get shot? But people are protesting that the black guy got shot, so that's a bad thing right?

That the Police should shoot the white guy to be consistent rather than learning the thing that you're telling them that they need to learn?

Do you see how this entire shit breaks down when you put like 4 seconds of thought into it?

I think that if any conclusion is to be drawn it is that it is possible that people are saying "Hey, you can do it the nice way without someone getting shot, pretty please can you try it more often"

 

[Dax777]

God give me strength!!! The key difference between the Trump guy video and the Jacob Blake video is Compliance.

The cops didn't do anything unique. In one the guy gets tackled and raised his hand in surrender mode. Even though he had legitimate reason vto be pissed as he was already complying with the officer who he was talking to.

Contrast that with the Blake video where he does not comply at any point. Not even after being tackled, tased and guns drawn on him and being told to stop as he walks around to his car to get in / grab something from it.

How hard is it to spot the obvious?

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

So if I can provide a video of a white guy getting shot by the Police and a video of a black guy being asked nicely to drop a weapon, then that somehow in your mind is an actual point because one off incidents can now be used as "proof" of widescale societal issues can they?

No, you cannot, which is why we got in a snit with each other about the video of the "caravan" as you may recall.

I find both sides of this thread do exactly what you suggest too often.

The conclusion I reach is that some police are really shit at their jobs and the consequences are often someone innocent's life, and that listening to what a police officer says and actually doing it would lower the risk to the innocent (or guilty but not of an offense worthy of on-the-spot capital punishment) in these situations.

Having said that, one can also understand that the risk of compliance and becoming defenseless in a situation in which the police officer might be shit at his/her job. Now we're in circular reference territory. This is a real life prisoner's dilemma in too many cases.

 

[Dax777]

I think that if any conclusion is to be drawn it is that it is possible that people are saying "Hey, you can do it the nice way without someone getting shot, pretty please can you try it more often"

Yes, what that often requires is the participation of the suspect. When the suspect complies ( even when the officer is overtly overaggressive) like the idiots both in the Trump video and the one who drop kicked the innocent black man. If the suspect surrenders even as he is being wronged, the likelihood of a calm end is almost guaranteed.

Compliance is the key. It should be taught everywhere to everyone in America.