George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

[Ban-jani]

And this is where your argument veers off. The Capitol building was protected by the Capitol police, not the National Guard. The Guard may have been used to supplement after the initial insurrection attempt, but they were not the main defence at the start.

https://www.npr.org/sections/insurr...hen-a-mob-stormed-the-capitol?t=1612693224617

But the point was the police in DC were heavily outnumbered and some were beaten, some nearly to death and one to actual death.

They were calling for further support but Trump was withholding the National Guard, who, if Biden was President at that point, would have come and stopped the coup in its tracks.

The general premise of the video is a complaint that the police were heavy handed in New York but let the Trump lot get away with it in the Capitol. My argument is they didn’t, they were left high and dry by the Federal Government and massively outnumbered, Officers risked their lives to stop the coup.

They are two very different scenarios, with two police forces, with the back up in the Capitol being controlled by the man who’s caused the issue.

There are plenty of examples of BLM protestors getting away with torching other people’s property and even rioters killing people, where the police were ineffectual.

I think it’s why the anti racism message is being supported but many have a problem with the organisation itself.

 

[Bigga]

Probably unhelpful to roll the issues into one tbh as I think they confuse / detract from each other unless we just want an 'all US police are cunts thread'. Certainly potential for one of those I suppose.

But the trouble is the police have a universal way of dealing with protest.

Why would the police deal with peacefully intended protest with violence and violent/ challenging protest with virtually passive action?

 

[Bigga]

But the point was the police in DC were heavily outnumbered and some were beaten, some nearly to death and one to actual death.

They were calling for further support but Trump was withholding the National Guard, who, if Biden was President at that point, would have come and stopped the coup in its tracks.

The general premise of the video is a complaint that the police were heavy handed in New York but let the Trump lot get away with it in the Capitol. My argument is they didn’t, they were left high and dry by the Federal Government and massively outnumbered, Officers risked their lives to stop the coup.

They are two very different scenarios, with two police forces, with the back up in the Capitol being controlled by the man who’s caused the issue.

There are plenty of examples of BLM protestors getting away with torching other people’s property and even rioters killing people, where the police were ineffectual.

I think it’s why the anti racism message is being supported but many have a problem with the organisation itself.

What part of 3% troublesome is the issue? I've already mentioned the looting and violence and yet you bypass that.

You say 'some', which falsely implicates the amount of actual dissenters involved. It was 'a small number', so be accurate.

You, also, agree that the approaches to the two protests were different under the same government, so I don't understand your argument/ position.

The video is underlining that the peaceful protestors were rounded upon and therefore the class action. There is plenty of footage captured to support this.

The BLM 'organisation' is similar to 'AntiFa'; several components coming together.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

But the trouble is the police have a universal way of dealing with protest.

Why would the police deal with peacefully intended protest with violence and violent/ challenging protest with virtually passive action?

It could very well be because of the Trump regime or institutional racism which I suppose is the point you are making. Equally the police might just have felt a little more wary of the extra global media scrutiny involved in any heavy handedness at the Capitol.

 

[Ban-jani]

What part of 3% troublesome is the issue? I've already mentioned the looting and violence and yet you bypass that.

You say 'some', which falsely implicates the amount of actual dissenters involved. It was 'a small number', so be accurate.

You, also, agree that the approaches to the two protests were different under the same government, so I don't understand your argument/ position.

The video is underlining that the peaceful protestors were rounded upon and therefore the class action. There is plenty of footage captured to support this.

The BLM 'organisation' is similar to 'AntiFa'; several components coming together.

I used “some” because I have no idea and couldn’t possibly know were causing violence. Some is a fairly safe word to use for a minority and I know it was a minority, that’s it.

The NYPD is managed by a different person to the police in DC. NYPD weren’t outnumbered in the same way as the cops at the Capitol were. The situation the police found themselves in at the Capitol was totally different and one was beaten to death.

The reason they were outnumbered was because the back up, that would have stopped the coup, was controlled by Trump. This wasn’t the situation in NY.

Considering several were seriously injured and one killed, I find BLM organisers blaming the Capitol police for essentially going easy on the coup, when they were so outnumbered and their backup not appearing, pretty distasteful.

 

[Bigga]

It could very well be because of the Trump regime or institutional racism which I suppose is the point you are making. Equally the police might just have felt a little more wary of the extra global media scrutiny involved in any heavy handedness at the Capitol.

Agreed, thus the class action being further underlined even if it were being lined up before the Capitol insurrection attempt.

 

[Bigga]

I used “some” because I have no idea and couldn’t possibly know were causing violence. Some is a fairly safe word to use for a minority and I know it was a minority, that’s it.

The NYPD is managed by a different person to the police in DC. NYPD weren’t outnumbered in the same way as the cops at the Capitol were. The situation the police found themselves in at the Capitol was totally different and one was beaten to death.

The reason they were outnumbered was because the back up, that would have stopped the coup, was controlled by Trump. This wasn’t the situation in NY.

Considering several were seriously injured and one killed, I find BLM organisers blaming the Capitol police for essentially going easy on the coup, when they were so outnumbered and their backup not appearing, pretty distasteful.

Well, we are going to see things differently and not come to a consensus, it seems.

The Capitol is manned by a fuck load of police because it's where the politicians work and it also holds the White House, so you're right when you say there were less presence. That doesn't and shouldn't stop the police from acting with force.

The fact that they were passive brought the situation to a head.

 

[Ban-jani]

Well, we are going to see things differently and not come to a consensus, it seems.

The Capitol is manned by a fuck load of police because it's where the politicians work and it also holds the White House, so you're right when you say there were less presence. That doesn't and shouldn't stop the police from acting with force.

The fact that they were passive brought the situation to a head.

They were passive because of how outnumbered they were and the fact they were abandoned.

Ive seen a few interviews from the cops that were there and it sounds terrifying for them.

The NYPD situation was a more normal case of numbers when it comes to riot police vs protestors.

 

[Bigga]

They were passive because of how outnumbered they were and the fact they were abandoned.

Ive seen a few interviews from the cops that were there and it sounds terrifying for them.

The NYPD situation was a more normal case of numbers when it comes to riot police vs protestors.

I'll tell you why they were passive also.

Because those particular protestors had guns openly.

Easier to attack unarmed civilians than risk a shootout.

 

[Ban-jani]

I'll tell you why they were passive also.

Because those particular protestors had guns openly.

Easier to attack unarmed civilians than risk a shootout.

Well yeah, exactly.

Hypothetically let’s say you’re a totally politically neutral cop and you’re at both events.

Event A, NY, you have the numbers in your favour, you’re more prepared and if you’re on the front foot you can push the crowd back.

Event B, the Capitol, you’re heavily outnumbered, you’ve been abandoned by back up, the crowd are more unhinged than at event A, they are likely to have guns and their end goal isn’t just a cry of anger, it’s specifically to takeover the US Government and overthrow democracy.

Even if you were at Event A and B, totally neutral and a regular cop, your behaviour is substantially different based on the situation you are presented with.

That’s why I think the comparison isn’t great and a bit unfair on the Capitol police.