George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

[Bigga]

No firearm does not mean, nor should it imply, no threat to life.

Any police officer faced with a physical threat is ALSO faced with the knowledge that if their weapon is taken from them, it will most likely be used against them.

Ive discussed this before. This is not bringing a gun to a knife fight or even bringing a gun to a fist fight. It is upholding the law and ensuring the life of the officer who is attempting to do do is NEVER brought into question. The second it is, he is justified in the use of his weapon.

This is UNDERSTOOD by most people, and it is only the most brazen threat that, in the face of a drawn firearm in the hands of a law enforcement officer, does not comply with instructions to de-escalate the situation, that ANY THREAT to an officer may be met by deadly force.

You don’t need ANY weapon to create that situation, which is why this notion (perpetuated here and in most media outlets) that “unarmed man” represents no clear and present danger to the situation is ridiculous.

When you are holding out your arms with a firearm, you can’t let an assailant simply run at you and tackle you, simply because he is “unarmed.”

America is America, and the norms and morays are not what they are in England, or elsewhere. Sooner or later, the world is going to have to come to terms with that.

And I think what YOU fail to understand is that it is HIGHLY unlikely another demographic gets away with using an officer's weapon against them without getting gunned down 'justifiably'! HIGHLY unlikely that another demographic gets away with charging at a police officer without being gunned down 'justifiably'.

And yet, we see, plain as day on cam just that very thing.

These officers chose 'unconscious bias ' and the perps ended up agitating against the police, who failed in their duty to uphold the law equally.

 

[Bigga]

Didn't know there were 400 citizens involved in a class action against the NYPD!!

 

[bluethrunthru]

Didn't know there were 400 citizens involved in a class action against the NYPD!!

An interesting watch that

 

[Ban-jani]

Didn't know there were 400 citizens involved in a class action against the NYPD!!

The first part of the video is making claims against NYPD, the 2nd part is Washington and having a go at the National Guard, which was controlled by Trump.

It’s not winning any arguments this disjointed and unspecified approach.

 

[Bigga]

The first part of the video is making claims against NYPD, the 2nd part is Washington and having a go at the National Guard, which was controlled by Trump.

It’s not winning any arguments this disjointed and unspecified approach.

How can you say it's a "disjointed and unspecified approach" when the juxtaposition of treatment is in front your very eyes!!

 

[Ban-jani]

How can you say it's a "disjointed and unspecified approach" when the juxtaposition of treatment is in front your very eyes!!

Because the video is disjointed, it’s two separate police forces, policing two very separate incidents, under two separate commands!

 

[Bigga]

Because the video is disjointed, it’s two separate police forces, policing two very separate incidents, under two separate commands!

You could level at me what I'm levelling at you. Police are police, especially as a unit. Individuals you can discount, sure, but as a force they have the same kind of command when it comes to protests that may turn nasty.

You would think.

And yet, as you have seen in video as evidence, and the stories coming from both events, that both were vastly different.

Sure, you had cops posing with both protestors and police trying (to some degree) trying to appease both protestors. But one set of protest was hardly manned with no confrontation and lives put at unnecessary risk as well as two police deaths and breaking into the capital and the other was like a war zone with confrontation which also resulted in an unfortunate death of an officer.

The BLM movement was trying to do peaceful protest and the 3% of looters and instigators caused problems. Was breaking into the nations capitol building peaceful? No. Any water canons used en masse? No. Any tear gas used en masse? No. Any batons swinging away en masse? Not that I've witnessed.

The difference is the trauma felt by those who were peaceful having their civil rights for protest recognised by law violated by the police paid for by those very citizens. And this is why the class action has happened.

I really don't understand what you're seeing different.

 

[Ban-jani]

You could level at me what I'm levelling at you. Police are police, especially as a unit. Individuals you can discount, sure, but as a force they have the same kind of command when it comes to protests that may turn nasty.

You would think.

And yet, as you have seen in video as evidence, and the stories coming from both events, that both were vastly different.

Sure, you had cops posing with both protestors and police trying (to some degree) trying to appease both protestors. But one set of protest was hardly manned with no confrontation and lives put at unnecessary risk as well as two police deaths and breaking into the capital and the other was like a war zone with confrontation which also resulted in an unfortunate death of an officer.

The BLM movement was trying to do peaceful protest and the 3% of looters and instigators caused problems. Was breaking into the nations capitol building peaceful? No. Any water canons used en masse? No. Any tear gas used en masse? No. Any batons swinging away en masse? Not that I've witnessed.

The difference is the trauma felt by those who were peaceful having their civil rights for protest recognised by law violated by the police paid for by those very citizens. And this is why the class action has happened.

I really don't understand what you're seeing different.

One is the NYPD, headed by the Police Commissioner, who is elected by the Mayor of New York, New York obviously being a more liberal city.

The other was the national guard controlled by the Federal Government, who’s own supporters were trying to stage a coup.

BLM protests had caused issues all around the country if you want to make it all one issue and people had died as a result. They certainly didn’t look peaceful to me and just because Trump’s lot were significantly worse, it doesn’t make the actions of some of the BLM crowd ok.

That wasn’t my point though, NYPD and the National Guard are two separate entities and there is a very specific reason the National Guard acted differently, it’s because Trump held them off.

 

[Bigga]

One is the NYPD, headed by the Police Commissioner, who is elected by the Mayor of New York, New York obviously being a more liberal city.

The other was the national guard controlled by the Federal Government, who’s own supporters were trying to stage a coup.

BLM protests had caused issues all around the country if you want to make it all one issue and people had died as a result. They certainly didn’t look peaceful to me and just because Trump’s lot were significantly worse, it doesn’t make the actions of some of the BLM crowd ok.

That wasn’t my point though, NYPD and the National Guard are two separate entities and there is a very specific reason the National Guard acted differently, it’s because Trump held them off.

And this is where your argument veers off. The Capitol building was protected by the Capitol police, not the National Guard. The Guard may have been used to supplement after the initial insurrection attempt, but they were not the main defence at the start.

https://www.npr.org/sections/insurr...hen-a-mob-stormed-the-capitol?t=1612693224617

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Probably unhelpful to roll the issues into one tbh as I think they confuse / detract from each other unless we just want an 'all US police are cunts thread'. Certainly potential for one of those I suppose.