George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

[Kinkladze 1]

These incidents seem to have a common theme running through them.

1) incompetent cops who are unable to find a solution to a problem that doesn’t involve shooting someone. Why not CS spray, taser, pile on before he got to his car ffs?!...
2) people who refuse to follow clear and simple instructions or lead a life that doesn’t invoke police contact. If he had followed his instructions he’d be alive.

if I got pulled by the cops in America I would not move a fucking muscle, they would deal with me and I’d go on my way. It’s not rocket science. Both parties here are to blame for the outcome.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

There's aren't enough of them, which is obvious to everyone paying any attention. There's no popular support for this. You've been told several times. You ignore this. Which is why you're Don Quixote redux.

Of course it's mad, and since it is, why are you so freaked out?

Lol, I'm not freaked out, if you hadn't noticed this is a BLM thread, and I'm merely commenting on it, you don't like what you're hearing and now seek to trivialise it. Which bothers me not, some of the stuff on here is wondrous to behold, and after a few months of realities that are now becoming evident, it's all of a sudden not important.
You gotta laugh really, but I think we've completed this little exercise, stay safe.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Lol, I'm not freaked out, if you hadn't noticed this is a BLM thread, and I'm merely commenting on it, you don't like what you're hearing and now seek to trivialise it. Which bothers me not, some of the stuff on here is wondrous to behold, and after a few months of realities that are now becoming evident, it's all of a sudden not important.
You gotta laugh really, but I think we've completed this little exercise, stay safe.

Believe me -- I'm not laughing.

 

[SWP's back]

the police will be defunded, as she clearly said.

And? Do you even know what it means?

Do you think the US police should be purchasing hundreds of millions in surplus military grade vehicles and weaponry?

Do you not think that money could be better spent?

 

[SWP's back]

Nice deflection, ah well, you better hope those politicians that want the police defunded are ousted then,as defunding the police is mad isn't it?

Not even remotely unless you’re a fucking idiot.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

And? Do you even know what it means?

Do you think the US police should be purchasing hundreds of millions in surplus military grade vehicles and weaponry?

Do you not think that money could be better spent?

It means, to AOC, exactly what it says, as has been referenced earlier.
If you want a discussion on American public spending intentions, fine, let's have one.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

It means, to AOC, exactly what it says, as has been referenced earlier.
If you want a discussion on American public spending intentions, fine, let's have one.

Some areas of the states have half of their city budgets spent on the police, so isn’t ‘defunding the police‘ a means of spending huge amounts of cash in a different way?
For example, should the system ensure that there are good quality services in the community so that somebody in mental health crisis gets the help they need, or an addict can get treatment, rather than getting arrested by the police and taken to a cell?

These are really important questions to ask when you think that, In the industrialised world, America has by far the biggest prison population, it has by far the most heavily resourced police forces, and has by far the largest crime rates and the lowest levels of public safety.
By any definition, whatever it’s got now, it’s not working....

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Some areas of the states have half of their city budgets spent on the police, so isn’t ‘defunding the police‘ a means spending huge amounts of cash in a different way?
For example, should the system ensure that there are good quality services in the community so that somebody in mental health crisis gets the help they need, or an addict can get treatment, rather than getting arrested by the police and taken to a cell?

These are really important questions to ask when you think that, In the industrialised world, America has by far the biggest prison population, it has by far the most heavily resourced police forces, and has by far the largest crime rates and the lowest levels of public safety.
By any definition, whatever it’s got now, it’s not working....

America also has a massive crime problem, which needs appropriate law enforcement to counter it. I'm not totally disagreeing with you, there may be areas where too much is allocated, and we don't live there to recommend one way or another, but a big police presence has always existed there.

 

[BobKowalski]

These incidents seem to have a common theme running through them.

1) incompetent cops who are unable to find a solution to a problem that doesn’t involve shooting someone. Why not CS spray, taser, pile on before he got to his car ffs?!...
2) people who refuse to follow clear and simple instructions or lead a life that doesn’t invoke police contact. If he had followed his instructions he’d be alive.

if I got pulled by the cops in America I would not move a fucking muscle, they would deal with me and I’d go on my way. It’s not rocket science. Both parties here are to blame for the outcome.

Bit of a bugger for those with mild Parkinson’s.

’Show me your ID. You are walking erratically!’
’Yes, Officer. I have-
’BLAM! See that? The fucker twitched!’

You are accepting that involuntary movement, nervousness, brain freeze, panic whatever, means you are equally responsible for getting shot by the police.

That is insane.

 

[BobKowalski]

America also has a massive crime problem, which needs appropriate law enforcement to counter it. I'm not totally disagreeing with you, there may be areas where too much is allocated, and we don't live there to recommend one way or another, but a big police presence has always existed there.

You state two things that you hold to be true. (1) America also has a massive crime problem and (2) A big police presence has always existed there.

Does not the existence of truth (1) mean that truth (2) is clearly not the whole answer and that a different approach might be the solution?