Unknown_Genius said:For me, the media and so called experts in this country overrate our own players, and dismiss the merits of other teams. Before the game today, all I heard on the radio and TV, was how Mertesacker and Friedrich were a poor defensive partnering, Boateng was playing out of position and would get brutally exposed by Milner and Johnson, how this Germany team were just boys, and stuff like this. Ozil was described as the only real threat, completely ignoring Klose, a guy with an excellent goalscoring record at this level. This "Golden Generation" lark, is just rubbish. Rooney, Lampard and Gerrard are all very good players indeed, but none are world class, they get alot of help from top class foreigners, and in the end its about a team, not individuals. Maybe if we just accepted we're not as good as we think we are, put all the cliches away, and stopped hyping up individuals, rather than talking about a team, and showed a little more respect to our opponents, we wouldn't be so surprised and go into an public outrage when we go out of a major tournament.
lee-mcfc said:imagine if we played argentina haha jesus we would have got killed on counterattack . am sure gary linker said something simliar
avoidconfusion said:I think England set themselves up for a fall when pundits were seriously saying that only one or two players from the German team would make it into England's team... and didn't one guy even say he wouldn't swap any of them?
There is nothing wrong with confidence but that was just plain arrogant.
Unknown_Genius said:how this Germany team were just boys, and stuff like this.
Ruhr said:Unknown_Genius said:how this Germany team were just boys, and stuff like this.
what helped the young germans:
A lot of them know each other since playing for german youth teams at the age of 15-16.
Guys like Özil, Kroos, Müller, Neuer or Khedira were given leading roles in their clubs at the age 20.
I think both give them a team spirit and self-confidence
Ruhr said:Unknown_Genius said:how this Germany team were just boys, and stuff like this.
what helped the young germans:
A lot of them know each other since playing for german youth teams at the age of 15-16.
Guys like Özil, Kroos, Müller, Neuer or Khedira were given leading roles in their clubs at the age 20.
I think both give them a team spirit and self-confidence
rag said:Ruhr said:what helped the young germans:
A lot of them know each other since playing for german youth teams at the age of 15-16.
Guys like Özil, Kroos, Müller, Neuer or Khedira were given leading roles in their clubs at the age 20.
I think both give them a team spirit and self-confidence
Those players that you mentioned above. Were they the players that beat convicingly England's U-21s in Sweden?