Girl savaged to death by dogs in Manchester

[scotty123]

Misheard the date its since 2005, in that time 8 children and 5 adults have been killed by dogs

Anne Mackintosh MP, 10 deaths since 2007, disgraceful

Who am i to argue with the great expenses fiddling Mcintosh?

Ok thats your point of view nowt anybody can say to it, but why would an MP come into a BBC studio and give those figures without her and the BBC checking the figures, just googled it and with the girls death yesterday the figures quoted above are correct, 8 children and 5 adults since 2005, disgraceful<br /><br />-- Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:16 am --<br /><br />

Morning all. Interesting thread. As you know I posted on page 12. It was an upsetting day yesterday at work however you know something having slept on it I feel a lot brighter today.

Dogs are not the problem. The problem is the owners who are in a way of life which they deem it appropriate to have themselves these types of dogs as they see them as a status symbol,a type of look at me I am hard because I have a pit bull,bull mastif or any other dog that is seen as to be aggressive.
The problem arises however when these incidents,albeit quite rare,occur.
All dogs are then labelled as vicious etc etc when in reality it is the owners of dogs who beat them,train them to fight etc who are the problems.
Put it this way,I know cops who went to this job yesterday and genuinely frightened that they were going to be mauled.

Good post.

Just to add on to that this morning on the news they're saying that this women was actually a breeder. She was also advertising these dogs on facebook as being breed to be deliberately viscous/nasty. So she is exactly the type of person that should never be allowed to own a dog in the first place.

Hope she gets 10 years if they prosecute her

 

[Challenger1978]

For all you idiots that keep claiming dogs are just bloody wolves I'm going to point something out to you.

A Chimpanzee is over 99% genetically identical to a human being. That tiny variation in DNA though is the difference between Einstein, da Vinci, Mozart and something that wants to pick its arse and fling shit at you. So please stop trying to make out all dogs are just wolves lying in wait and are always ready to kill you. As your just making the situation worse by perpetuating fear as that is something a dog will pick up on.

Just like a wolf, then?

Just like a human or can't you tell when someone is scared ?

 

[scotty123]

Misheard the date its since 2005, in that time 8 children and 5 adults have been killed by dogs

Anne Mackintosh MP, 10 deaths since 2007, disgraceful

Who am i to argue with the great expenses fiddling Mcintosh?

Shes coming up on Sky news now will have another listen

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

Anne Mackintosh MP, 10 deaths since 2007, disgraceful

Who am i to argue with the great expenses fiddling Mcintosh?

Ok thats your point of view nowt anybody can say to it, but why would an MP come into a BBC studio and give those figures without her and the BBC checking the figures, just googled it and with the girls death yesterday the figures quoted above are correct, 8 children and 5 adults since 2005, disgraceful

-- Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:16 am --

Morning all. Interesting thread. As you know I posted on page 12. It was an upsetting day yesterday at work however you know something having slept on it I feel a lot brighter today.

Dogs are not the problem. The problem is the owners who are in a way of life which they deem it appropriate to have themselves these types of dogs as they see them as a status symbol,a type of look at me I am hard because I have a pit bull,bull mastif or any other dog that is seen as to be aggressive.
The problem arises however when these incidents,albeit quite rare,occur.
All dogs are then labelled as vicious etc etc when in reality it is the owners of dogs who beat them,train them to fight etc who are the problems.
Put it this way,I know cops who went to this job yesterday and genuinely frightened that they were going to be mauled.

Good post.

Just to add on to that this morning on the news they're saying that this women was actually a breeder. She was also advertising these dogs on facebook as being breed to be deliberately viscous/nasty. So she is exactly the type of person that should never be allowed to own a dog in the first place.

Hope she gets 10 years if they prosecute her

Unfortunately as the incident was in the confines of the owners private home and it appears the dogs were not one of the 4 specific "banned" dogs,the dog owner is immune from prosecution.

 

[stonerblue]

Anne Mackintosh MP, 10 deaths since 2007, disgraceful

Who am i to argue with the great expenses fiddling Mcintosh?

Ok thats your point of view nowt anybody can say to it, but why would an MP come into a BBC studio and give those figures without her and the BBC checking the figures, just googled it and with the girls death yesterday the figures quoted above are correct, 8 children and 5 adults since 2005, disgraceful

-- Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:16 am --

Morning all. Interesting thread. As you know I posted on page 12. It was an upsetting day yesterday at work however you know something having slept on it I feel a lot brighter today.

Dogs are not the problem. The problem is the owners who are in a way of life which they deem it appropriate to have themselves these types of dogs as they see them as a status symbol,a type of look at me I am hard because I have a pit bull,bull mastif or any other dog that is seen as to be aggressive.
The problem arises however when these incidents,albeit quite rare,occur.
All dogs are then labelled as vicious etc etc when in reality it is the owners of dogs who beat them,train them to fight etc who are the problems.
Put it this way,I know cops who went to this job yesterday and genuinely frightened that they were going to be mauled.

Good post.

Just to add on to that this morning on the news they're saying that this women was actually a breeder. She was also advertising these dogs on facebook as being breed to be deliberately viscous/nasty. So she is exactly the type of person that should never be allowed to own a dog in the first place.

Hope she gets 10 years if they prosecute her

I'm not disputing the figures, in fact i'm glad you've settled on a total.

So in 8 years, out of all the instances of the estimated 8 million dogs in the UK meeting any of the 65m people, there have only been 13 fatal attacks. That's hardly an epidemic on a scale that justifies the eradication of dogs i'd say.
Peoples anger should be directed at the owners of the dogs they've trained to become aggressive or have mistreated.

 

[scotty123]

Who am i to argue with the great expenses fiddling Mcintosh?

Ok thats your point of view nowt anybody can say to it, but why would an MP come into a BBC studio and give those figures without her and the BBC checking the figures, just googled it and with the girls death yesterday the figures quoted above are correct, 8 children and 5 adults since 2005, disgraceful

-- Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:16 am --

Good post.

Just to add on to that this morning on the news they're saying that this women was actually a breeder. She was also advertising these dogs on facebook as being breed to be deliberately viscous/nasty. So she is exactly the type of person that should never be allowed to own a dog in the first place.

Hope she gets 10 years if they prosecute her

I'm not disputing the figures, in fact i'm glad you've settled on a total.

So in 8 years, out of all the instances of the estimated 8 million dogs in the UK meeting any of the 65m people, there have only been 13 fatal attacks. That's hardly an epidemic on a scale that justifies the eradication of dogs i'd say.
Peoples anger should be directed at the owners of the dogs they've trained to become aggressive or have mistreated.

I agree, im not against dogs...except when they try to nip my legs when im on my bike....as you say its the numb nuts owners who are training them that im venting my spleen against

 

[tidyman]

Unfortunately as the incident was in the confines of the owners private home and it appears the dogs were not one of the 4 specific "banned" dogs,the dog owner is immune from prosecution.

Serious question and I'm talking in theory and nothing whatsoever to do with this or any other incident that has actually happened.

Are you saying if someone was on your property and you encouraged your dog to attack or even kill them, then as long as the dog wasn't one of the four banned breeds, you will have commited no crime?

 

[Why Always Ste]

Not all owners of the Breeds of Dog in question are scrotes, or have these dogs as a status symbol "look at me I'm hard" thing.

I bought my Staffordshire bull Terrier from Pup 6yrs ago, purposely as a training partner, someone to motivate me in the morning and at night for long runs and I'd take him Cycling (yes he can cycle haha :P )

He has a set routine Tue-Thu-Sun where he goes on long walks, swimming in the lakes/rivers and as I type this he's fast asleep snoring his head off too tired to want to bite some kids head off as he is trained properly.

Food after exercise, he knows why he is exercising as he gets rewarded with food.

Dogs attack out of Fear. I purposely trained my Dog to not have this fear, which is why many dogs have attacked him and he's just brushed it off almost like he's just sparring.

Funny ain't it, the amount of Dogs that have attacked my dog, and they are usually the more "Pet" type breeds, the small Maltese, Pugs, Pomeranian types which Celebrities have made fashionable....

Because the owners have fear after seeing my Dog, their dogs detect this fear after the owners usually pick them up off the floor or go into anxiety/panic mode and before you know it their dogs are going sick and trying to attack my dog.

My Dog has yet to attack any other dog or human. it has however defended itself when all kinds of breeds have gone for it.

The problem with the Test/License system is many scrotes have their Dogs bred with illegal dogs...so they'll have a staffordshire bull terrier bred with an American Bull terrier (illegal)

And the Police will be none the wiser. they could have the license and pass the test, but they are walking the streets with a dog that's cross bred with an illegal breed.

My Staffie is full KC registered, has his breed history traced back over 100yrs and was bought from an home where the woman/Male lived with Children.

Sort out the money making scrotes who breed these dogs with no set standards, just breeding to make cash (dogs aren't socialised, just in cages) and you'll be a step closer to eliminating the vicious breeds that are bred with other breeds.

Don't buy your dogs from these people, buy dogs from loving homes.

 

[york away to this!]

horribly sad tale...

Clearly not the dog's fault if they are being inbred and inbred to create horrible scrappers for sale. The adults (the same description could be made of their inbreeding and inbreeding, I suppose?) are at fault here. Both for the inane breeding of these pathetic creatures, the creation and value given to the ownership of these pathetic creatures in this part of society and for allowing their children and or their children's friends to be alone with these pathetic creatures.

I hope someone feels some remorse about her death and this helps to change the pathetic creatures that are the breeders, sellers, wanters and keepers of these unecessary and wholly unpleasant "look at me, I'm hard" symbols....

Everyone involved should be ashamed.

 

[scotty123]

Not all owners of the Breeds of Dog in question are scrotes, or have these dogs as a status symbol "look at me I'm hard" thing.

I bought my Staffordshire bull Terrier from Pup 6yrs ago, purposely as a training partner, someone to motivate me in the morning and at night for long runs and I'd take him Cycling (yes he can cycle haha :P )

He has a set routine Tue-Thu-Sun where he goes on long walks, swimming in the lakes/rivers and as I type this he's fast asleep snoring his head off too tired to want to bite some kids head off as he is trained properly.

Food after exercise, he knows why he is exercising as he gets rewarded with food.

Dogs attack out of Fear. I purposely trained my Dog to not have this fear, which is why many dogs have attacked him and he's just brushed it off almost like he's just sparring.

Funny ain't it, the amount of Dogs that have attacked my dog, and they are usually the more "Pet" type breeds, the small Maltese, Pugs, Pomeranian types which Celebrities have made fashionable....

Because the owners have fear after seeing my Dog, their dogs detect this fear after the owners usually pick them up off the floor or go into anxiety/panic mode and before you know it their dogs are going sick and trying to attack my dog.

My Dog has yet to attack any other dog or human. it has however defended itself when all kinds of breeds have gone for it.

The problem with the Test/License system is many scrotes have their Dogs bred with illegal dogs...so they'll have a staffordshire bull terrier bred with an American Bull terrier (illegal)

And the Police will be none the wiser. they could have the license and pass the test, but they are walking the streets with a dog that's cross bred with an illegal breed.

My Staffie is full KC registered, has his breed history traced back over 100yrs and was bought from an home where the woman/Male lived with Children.

Sort out the money making scrotes who breed these dogs with no set standards, just breeding to make cash (dogs aren't socialised, just in cages) and you'll be a step closer to eliminating the vicious breeds that are bred with other breeds.

Don't buy your dogs from these people, buy dogs from loving homes.

Excellent and spot on