Given issues ultimatum to Mancini

[IrishMacca]

Sick to death of these players speaking out of turn calling the shots saying what the club and manger will do.

Its got to stop somewhere, FUCK sending our best players out on loan what are we are fucking charity ? If Given wants to temper tamtrum and demand a move and is not willing to fight for his place, fuck him but he will have to be sold and we want back what we paid for him.

He can go to Arsenal whatever we need to get a squad of players that actually want to play for us, on our terms and are going to be team player not going crying to the press every 5 minutes when they dont get their own way.

Totally agree, for that quote alone he should start on the bench for me and learn to shut his trap, yes hart has done the same, difference being he's a kid who will learn from the outbursts, given is a seasoned pro who should know better, fuck me i expect more from a guy who has so much experience............. seems to me he doesnt fancy his chances against joe.

And which quote would that be?

 

[ElanJo]

Think we're making the same mistake Capello made. With only a few days to go we don't know who is going to start in goal. Should have loaned out Hart until Christmas already. Defenders would know for sure who was going to be playing behind them and, as a bonus, we wouldn't be seen, should we loan out one of them soon, to have players calling the shots.

 

[zeven]

We have 38 league matches and the possibility of 18ish in the Europa league plus the other two domestic cup comps, so, all in all that's two seasons worth of games.
I'd suggest one keeper for the league (which probably is Given as he has the number 1 jersey) and Hart for all cup games.

If we had to choose one to go, IMO it should be Given as he's in the last years of his career. I'd hold out for a fooking good price though

You think that whoever it is who gets the cup games will be happy. We all know that's second choice. Not to mention they'll want to play all games.
Having 2 keepers rotate league and cup games will be a disaster, not just for them, but the defenders. The keeper and defender need to be a solid block, rotate you're strikers or whatever, but not keepers. It might start out fine. But if we do well in the Europa League both will want to play. The idea is you start with your kids and your second string and when the big games come around you start your starting team. That's what is done these days.

Neither will want to give that up. They both will want to play all games, it will start fine, hopefully but it'll get messy, and we all know it.
We'll loose one of them come January, that's how it'll be I'd say.

So let us use two defences and rotate them

defence one Given, richards,boateng,kompany,kolorov.

Defence two: Hart, zab toure,lescott bridge

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Totally agree, for that quote alone he should start on the bench for me and learn to shut his trap, yes hart has done the same, difference being he's a kid who will learn from the outbursts, given is a seasoned pro who should know better, fuck me i expect more from a guy who has so much experience............. seems to me he doesnt fancy his chances against joe.

And which quote would that be?

"Possibly, if I didn't start, then there could be a loan and then I'd come back and see where that takes me."

I think thats down to us don't you? Don't presume anything here - robinho will find out the exact same.

 

[Ricster]

Shay, yes you are a good goalkeeper but we have to start looking towards the future and as the season went on last year i thought there was a slight dip in your form, where as Joe performed really well at a weaker team.

Close the door on your way out.

That'd be my response

 

[IrishMacca]

And which quote would that be?

"Possibly, if I didn't start, then there could be a loan and then I'd come back and see where that takes me."

I think thats down to us don't you? Don't presume anything here - robinho will find out the exact same.

Try taking it in context, when pushed to answer the question whether he would leave or go on loan he said he'd prefer to stay at such a big and ambitious club, might consider a loan, but would much prefer to stay.
He's not throwing his toys out demanding to leave, he's saying if he didn't start he might consider going out on loan for a while, see how that goes, because at 34 he wants to play as many games as possible, but at the end wants to come back and see where it takes him. That's the quote you're annoyed about.

Oh heaven above. Some supporters these days..worse than journos.

 

[gazzertheblue]

I've had 2 No 1's AND a No2 so far today.

 

[EL APACHE TEVEZ]

Use Charlie for premiership games,and seamus for the cup game's simple's.

 

[BufordUSABlue]

Sick to death of these players speaking out of turn calling the shots saying what the club and manger will do.

Its got to stop somewhere, FUCK sending our best players out on loan what are we are fucking charity ? If Given wants to temper tamtrum and demand a move and is not willing to fight for his place, fuck him but he will have to be sold and we want back what we paid for him.

He can go to Arsenal whatever we need to get a squad of players that actually want to play for us, on our terms and are going to be team player not going crying to the press every 5 minutes when they dont get their own way.

Totally agree, for that quote alone he should start on the bench for me and learn to shut his trap, yes hart has done the same, difference being he's a kid who will learn from the outbursts, given is a seasoned pro who should know better, fuck me i expect more from a guy who has so much experience............. seems to me he doesnt fancy his chances against joe.

2 Wrongs dont make a right Zin - they are both under contract (bloody good ones at that!!) and should fight for their place like any other player. If this spreads through the team we will have a right old mess to sort out!! Dont forget Given's understudy at The Toon (Harper) waited for years to get his chance and hes a damn fine keeper as well.............thinking about it, lets go after him to really put the cat amongst the pigeons :-) !!!

 

[Rammyblues]

Given v Spurs
Hart v Romanian side
Given v Liverpool
Hart v Romanian side at home
Given v Sunderland

and so on both get games what the fuck is there to argue about.