Given Questions Mancini's Man-Management

[baldmosher]

Prestwich, I understand your (and Dunphy's) point but it's not exactly relevant to Given for whom it was abundantly clear that he would not get his first team place back but was still required by City as a reserve.

He was not made redundant.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Sigh! So now situations down pit are like managing multi millionaires? Give it up guys, we all know that the squad is now very nicely settled and once Tevez leaves there will be no other major issues. It was a hard thing that Mancini had to do and he took a very hard line doing it but now he has the squad he wants and the performances prove that he has got it right.

That's regardless of what a couple of ex employees have to say.

 

[bluecroi]

I mean this in the nicest way possible but a lot of you honestly need to grow thick skin if you think this is criticism.

He's not having a go, he's answered a question he was asked directly, in the most honest way he could, he didn't moan, he said that Mancini style of management is different to previous managers and his current manager, and he wasn't sure if that was bad or good.

It is a style of management, and frankly some of the comments here are a bit childish, and for the people who are having a go. I mean, either they are children or have had very little experience in the real world.

He has never said a bad thing about the club, even here, he behavior was exemplary when he was on the bench, and since he has left, he has done nothing but good things for us and I will be cheering him on the weekend (and for Dunne) and he is an ultimate professional. He has given his opinion here in the politest and direct way that he could. And people are having a go?

A lot of people could learn a hell of a lot from his behavior.

I can't understand why there are 14 pages on this. It's ridiculous carry on and has been blown completely over the top.

And on a side note, I think man management is incredibly important, whether you get paid 100k a year or 30k a year is irrelevant, and ya there are different ways of managing, but I have found that managers who are able to deal with their employees well, especially in negative situations, are the ones who do well in the long term, look apple, Google etc they work incredibly hard to make life as happy and positive experience in their work place, their internal management is solid. I'd question how his approach will work if things go wrong, but hopefully we wont come to that bridge.

Mancini is old style, and like Given said, it isn't necessarily wrong, just different. He hasn't been dealing with the fringe players well and there's blatant evidence for that, he could do better, but it's his style, neither right or wrong for that matter. Just a different type of management. Whatever works.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Prestwich, I understand your (and Dunphy's) point but it's not exactly relevant to Given for whom it was abundantly clear that he would not get his first team place back but was still required by City as a reserve.

You clearly don't understand the point. I can't remember the exact timing of his injury but iirc he wasn't available until some games into the season. At that point he would have known he had a fight on his hands but Mancini should have said something like "Look Shay, I can only play one keeper and I've no intention of rotating. If I play Joe then you're not happy and if I play you then Joe's not happy. It's a hard decision but I'd want to keep faith with Joe for the moment as he's young and could be at the club for many more years whereas your shelf life is shorter. If he starts to struggle then you're back in but if he plays like he has been then you'll only get back in if he gets injured. Personally I'd love you to stay here but I appreciate you're an experienced international and used to first team football but I'd like you to stay for the rest of the season. If there's no change by then we'll respect your wishes if you want to leave to secure regular games and won't stand in your way."

Then Given goes away and thinks "Top bloke. Been honest and up-front with me." And when a reporter asks him about it he says "Of course i wasn't happy about losing my place but the manager handled it very well, talked to me about it and I knew where I stood. I couldn't ask for more than that."

Or to put it into a more personal context. You and a colleague apply for a job. The manager interviws you both and says he'll make a decision next day. What would your feelings be in each of the following scenarios:

1) In the morning, your manager calls you in and tells you that he's giving the job to your colleague because he's more experienced and he doesn't quite feel you're ready yet. However he is happy to work with you to make sure you get the experience and training you need so that if a similar position arises in future.

2) The first you hear is when an e-mail goes round from your manager or HR announcing that your colleague has got the job.

3) Your colleague comes over to speak to you to tell you you're working for him now and he's needs to discuss how you work together going forward.

In all of them the outcome has been the same but I would suspect you'd be mightily more pissed off in (3) than in (1).

 

[Sam Faecalmatterface]

I mean this in the nicest way possible but a lot of you honestly need to grow thick skin if you think this is criticism.

He's not having a go, he's answered a question he was asked directly, in the most honest way he could, he didn't moan, he said that Mancini style of management is different to previous managers and his current manager, and he wasn't sure if that was bad or good.

It is a style of management, and frankly some of the comments here are a bit childish, and for the people who are having a go. I mean, either they are children or have had very little experience in the real world.

He has never said a bad thing about the club, even here, he behavior was exemplary when he was on the bench, and since he has left, he has done nothing but good things for us and I will be cheering him on the weekend (and for Dunne) and he is an ultimate professional. He has given his opinion here in the politest and direct way that he could. And people are having a go?

A lot of people could learn a hell of a lot from his behavior.

I can't understand why there are 14 pages on this. It's ridiculous carry on and has been blown completely over the top.

And on a side note, I think man management is incredibly important, whether you get paid 100k a year or 30k a year is irrelevant, and ya there are different ways of managing, but I have found that managers who are able to deal with their employees well, especially in negative situations, are the ones who do well in the long term, look apple, Google etc they work incredibly hard to make life as happy and positive experience in their work place, their internal management is solid. I'd question how his approach will work if things go wrong, but hopefully we wont come to that bridge.

Mancini is old style, and like Given said, it isn't necessarily wrong, just different. He hasn't been dealing with the fringe players well and there's blatant evidence for that, he could do better, but it's his style, neither right or wrong for that matter. Just a different type of management. Whatever works.

I doubt I am alone in thinking that it would be a dream to one day be as grown up and worldy wise as you. You truly are a shining beacon of maturity. Thank you for pointing out the error of our ways.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I doubt I am alone in thinking that it would be a dream to one day be as grown up and worldy wise as you. You truly are a shining beacon of maturity. Thank you for pointing out the error of our ways.

Your username suggests that your dream is an awful long way away.

 

[Sam Faecalmatterface]

I doubt I am alone in thinking that it would be a dream to one day be as grown up and worldy wise as you. You truly are a shining beacon of maturity. Thank you for pointing out the error of our ways.

Your username suggests that your dream is an awful long way away.

I considered Sale Sam but I was worried that it might give people the impression that I am a tedious, unimaginative sphincter of a man.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I doubt I am alone in thinking that it would be a dream to one day be as grown up and worldy wise as you. You truly are a shining beacon of maturity. Thank you for pointing out the error of our ways.

Your username suggests that your dream is an awful long way away.

I considered Sale Sam but I was worried that it might give people the impression that I am a tedious, unimaginative sphincter of a man.

Whereas your existing user name gives the impression of a 13 year old boy

 

[taconinja]

Your username suggests that your dream is an awful long way away.

I considered Sale Sam but I was worried that it might give people the impression that I am a tedious, unimaginative sphincter of a man.

Whereas your existing user name gives the impression of a 13 year old boy

Which puts him in there with every single one of us then as 99% of this forum generally comes across as petulant, defensive, and insecure.

 

[chumpster1]

The most common thing you will hear from good players about Cloughie is that he made them feel like the best player in the world.

Thats fair comment but Given was'nt even the best keeper at the club, so should Bobby tell him he is then still play Joe ?

Ex players moan about ex clubs/ex managers, especially in pre match interviews.

Joe was/is better than you Shay .... get over it !