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Skashion said:
brand blue heavies said:
There are plenty of theories on how we can possibly time travel backwards. I didn`t say it was possible. Travelling faster than the speed of light is one and worm holes another.

Dilation or whatever its called is of no use to everyday man. Were talking quantum leaps in time.
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I'm just going to put a helpful note out to all Bluemooners here. This is what not having a fucking clue looks like. It looks exactly this.

Travelling faster than the speed of light. Not possible for an object with mass. We accelerate massive (as in particles with mass) to very high fractions of the speed of light every day (beyond 99.999999%) and never have any gone over it. The idea that we can push massive particles beyond the speed of light goes beyond an established law of physics that both man and nature have tested time and time again and never broken.

Wormholes, would require negative energy. Not yet proven to exist.

Yet, in this guy's mind, time dilation is irrelevant, even though it's already proven beyond doubt. Time dilation can be whatever you want it to be as long as you have enough energy to accelerate the mass you want to the correct fraction of c.[/quo

Ha skash you are clearly forgetting to take your kalms. You just love diving in without looking at the initial posts. Im afraid your wrong again. Tomorrow I shall tell you why. Meanwhile keep off those smarties,especially the blue ones.
 
brand blue heavies said:
Ha skash you are clearly forgetting to take your kalms. You just love diving in without looking at the initial posts. Im afraid your wrong again. Tomorrow I shall tell you why. Meanwhile keep off those smarties,especially the blue ones.
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I look forward to your explanation of how anything with mass can go faster than the speed of light.
 
Skashion said:
brand blue heavies said:
Ha skash you are clearly forgetting to take your kalms. You just love diving in without looking at the initial posts. Im afraid your wrong again. Tomorrow I shall tell you why. Meanwhile keep off those smarties,especially the blue ones.
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I look forward to your explanation of how anything with mass can go faster than the speed of light.
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Now before i begin i need to point out to you a couple of words that you may have missed in my posts. One is Concept and the other Theory.

I would also like to bring up teleportation as this is another area where,like time travel its been believed that we will never be able to do a 'Star Trek' and teleport from one place to another...however this has been done. Ok not a real object or a person but particles have been teleported from one position to another.

The reason i use the above is because as in my first post i was talking about actual physical time travel back years in time and forward in time. I know dilation has become apparant in space but the 'concept' of actual time travel exists and has been discussed buy such eminent scientists as Stephen Hawking (worm hole theory) and Michio Kaku. Both possibly the greatest minds alive today.

I wont insult you by C+P all the sites and stuff but the original theory was that as all we see comes from light from the sun then if we could travel at this speed and over take it then in THEORY we could travel back in time by over taking the images. As i said originally its a theory,quite a fantastic one but arnt a lot of theories?

Hawkings opinion on it is that in order to achieve this we would have to harness the power of an exploding star and he is more inclined to believe time travel would be achieved more so through einsteins-rosen bridge theory.

Now as we have not to this day ever met anyone from the future it can be safe to assume that actual human time travel will not happen although the concept and theories keep coming.

Only just over 100 years ago the fastest man flew was 7 mph. Now 100 years later we can acheive speeds of over 17000 mph. Who knows what we might be able to achieve in the next thousand years....thats if were not all underwater by then.
 
brand blue heavies said:
Now before i begin i need to point out to you a couple of words that you may have missed in my posts. One is Concept and the other Theory.

I would also like to bring up teleportation as this is another area where,like time travel its been believed that we will never be able to do a 'Star Trek' and teleport from one place to another...however this has been done. Ok not a real object or a person but particles have been teleported from one position to another.

The reason i use the above is because as in my first post i was talking about actual physical time travel back years in time and forward in time. I know dilation has become apparant in space but the 'concept' of actual time travel exists and has been discussed buy such eminent scientists as Stephen Hawking (worm hole theory) and Michio Kaku. Both possibly the greatest minds alive today.

I wont insult you by C+P all the sites and stuff but the original theory was that as all we see comes from light from the sun then if we could travel at this speed and over take it then in THEORY we could travel back in time by over taking the images. As i said originally its a theory,quite a fantastic one but arnt a lot of theories?

Hawkings opinion on it is that in order to achieve this we would have to harness the power of an exploding star and he is more inclined to believe time travel would be achieved more so through einsteins-rosen bridge theory.

Now as we have not to this day ever met anyone from the future it can be safe to assume that actual human time travel will not happen although the concept and theories keep coming.

Only just over 100 years ago the fastest man flew was 7 mph. Now 100 years later we can acheive speeds of over 17000 mph. Who knows what we might be able to achieve in the next thousand years....thats if were not all underwater by then.
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The comedy continues. This post is supposed to demonstrate that I'm wrong because we have vague 'fantastic' theories than rely on the existence of something that we don't know exists and of which there is little evidence. Versus time dilation which is proven and observable and which we observe every single day.

The massive irony of your posts so far, which ignore than FTL is impossible, because we accelerate particles beyond 99.999999% of c now, is that if we were to do this with a human being, one year in that human being's life would be 7,071 years to a stationary observer. How's that not time travel? You have argued against time dilation as an argument for forwards time travel by deploying FTL as an argument. This is so fundamentally stupid it doesn't bear thinking about. Time dilation increases exponentially the closer you get to c.

For anyone who wants to check it out, the maths is:

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* In this equation 1 is the speed of light and 0.99999999 (this is what we can currently achieve in particle accelerators) is the fraction of the speed of light.

Using this equation here's the numbers to save you the time:

10% 1.005
20% 1.021
30% 1.048
40% 1.091
50% 1.158
60% 1.250
70% 1.400
80% 1.667
90% 2.294
95% 3.202
97% 4.413
98% 5.025
99% 7.089
99.9% 22.366
99.99% 70.712
99.999% 223.607
99.9999% 707.107
99.99999% 2,236.068
99.999999% 7,071.068
99.9999999% 22,360.678
99.99999999% 70,710.754
99.999999999% 223,609.892
99.9999999999% 707,114.757
99.99999999995% 1,000,233.187

Once we start getting above 99% things get very interesting indeed. This is why an argument about flying faster than the speed of light cannot possibly be used as an argument against time dilation. Time dilation accelerates dramatically the closer to c you get.

Seriously Bluemooners, pay attention. This is exactly what knowing nothing looks like.

1. He thinks FTL for a massive object is possible. Both nature and man test this every day and we don't break it. It is literally as stupid as walking off the top of a skyscraper and expecting to float upwards. Nature and man test the speed of light every bit as often as gravity.

2. He dismissed time dilation as an argument and then is making a case for FTL but the extent of time dilation is dependent on the speed of light as demonstrated above.

He has defeated his own argument through sheer ignorance.
 
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