God

ElanJo said:
Bigga said:
Science needs the solid existence of SOMETHING in order conduct an experiment. All other actions are built upon theories which can be dis-proven many times.

One can say God is a theory. How do you disprove the theory when there is nothing solid to prove or disprove?

Many scientist swear blind on/ by their theories and build up masses of followers. All this built on THEORY!! I asked, once on this board, what is the difference then between science and religion when looked at from this point of view?

The answer, that science can work to test the theories. One cannot work towards the science of String Theory because science does not have the means to test it, just yet.

So, if that's the case, when will they have the means to test the 'theory'of God...??

First, learn the difference between theory and hypothesis.

Secondly, the God hypothesis has been being tested since the dawn of science and has failed at every step thus far. God was seen to control weather - False. God was seen to answer prayers - False. God was seen to infect people with disease - False. etc. etc. In the face of science "God" has shrunk and shrunk to the point where his only hiding place is behind a singularity.


Nice!
Exactly as the man just said, the probability that a GOD exists has been reduced such that the alternative hypothesis becomes more probable. GOD in all probability does not exist! Hiding behind the singularity is the reference to the point in a black hole where light and matter are sucked by huge gravitational forces! At the point of the singularity there is a problability of 0. Nothing can be assumed!! This is where GOD exists.
 
savo said:
Nice!
Exactly as the man just said, the probability that a GOD exists has been reduced such that the alternative hypothesis becomes more probable. GOD in all probability does not exist! Hiding behind the singularity is the reference to the point in a black hole where light and matter are sucked by huge gravitational forces! At the point of the singularity there is a problability of 0. Nothing can be assumed!! This is where GOD exists.

Here we go again!!

'Probability' is just the more positive side of being 'unsure'!!

You don't have the science to prove or dis-prove as I've said.

Conveniently ignored point.
 
Bigga, can you posit a definition of God that we can consider? I'm struggling to understand what you mean by the term and it might be helpful if you could delineate an area of God's influence or design other than that point of singularity known as the Big Bang which science endeavours to understand but religion or the belief in God has already solved.
 
Bigga said:
ElanJo said:
First, learn the difference between theory and hypothesis.

Secondly, the God hypothesis has been being tested since the dawn of science and has failed at every step thus far. God was seen to control weather - False. God was seen to answer prayers - False. God was seen to infect people with disease - False. etc. etc. In the face of science "God" has shrunk and shrunk to the point where his only hiding place is behind a singularity.

So a theory and hypothesis aren't pretty much the same thing??

Tell me, and show me in fact, the EVIDENCE of these 'tests.
That God was 'seen', also.

Show me or stfu. there's constant bile that comes from you.

I embrace both science and belief. You dismiss belief. That's your gig.

Show me these tangible tests or get off my case.

My my, Bigga, why do you always spit your dummy out when someone challenges you?

If theories and hypotheses were pretty much the same thing I wouldn't have told you to learn the difference. What's annoying is that I've told you to do this before on more than one occasion, I've even spelt it out for you. For someone who "embraces" science you sure don't bother to understand even its very basics.

When I say "God was seen to (do X)" I'm obviously not using "seen" literally, ffs.

As for tests, take prayer tests for example, just type "Scientific Prayer tests" or "Prayer experiments", or something of that nature, into Google. I'm not going to do your work for you, it's already been shown that you don't listen anyway.

PS. Are you going to answer my questions regarding the Biblical meaning of a day/7 days? or was your little tantrum the answer?
 
You know the really dumb part of your question is asking me to explain someone else's writings!!

How am I supposed to know if some meant 7 fooking days in Human time or 7 days in view to how God may see time??!! Really stupid!

Someone can be tested to pray for a bike. Why would that happen?

Someone can pray for the strength to overcome adversity and it happen. How the fook do you scientifically prove or disprove that, genius??

Boy, you really do grate on the nerve!

Lloyd, I've already said I cannot and won't define God. I'll tell you what, though, you define 'love' in all its aspects, first.

Bob, science is proven and dis-proven on its own thinking all the time.

And what? Science doesn't exist then? It's wrong? How do you trust it when it's proved wrong many times by itself?
 
Love is a Human construct, using it's ambiguity to do defend the concept of God doesn't seem like much of a defence at all.
 
pee dubya said:
Love is a Human construct, using it's ambiguity to do defend the concept of God doesn't seem like much of a defence at all.

'A Human construct'? Made up ourselves? Does this explain 'unconditional love', then? If it isn't real, why do you feel emotion towards someone you care about as a general rule?

We are taught, amongst other things, that God is Love.

Therefore, to you, love (ergo God) does not exist.

Now what for a Humanity devoid of a belief in love?
 
Ally.P said:
Jesus Christ Himself was a manifestation of God, the Divine made flesh to enable humanity to be aware of a unique relationship with God. Prior to His Coming, God had been incomprehensible to humans beyond the capacity of our perception and understanding.

Weren't there numerous occassions in the Bible where God was entirely knowable before Jesus? In fact, isn't it commonly accepted in Christianity that humans had a close, personal relationship with God before the Tower of Babel?

Through the birth of Christ, humanity was given an overt expression of God's reality in human terms. Christ is not seen as a separate entity, but as reflective of the multiple consciousness that is the oneness of God. There are not three divine beings comprising the trinity, but one Divine Nature in which the three aspects of God are present. Nor did Christ come to redeem us from original sin. Rather, His mission was that of revealing the nature and reality of the spiritual life, and to provide a living example of it.

Ah, original sin. The single most stupidest thing in the whole of Christian dogma, backed up by a single passage written by Paul which can be interpreted in lots of different ways, especially when viewed in the original language. No other religion in the world agrees with this, and lots of Christianity also rejects it.
 
Bigga said:
You know the really dumb part of your question is asking me to explain someone else's writings!!

How am I supposed to know if some meant 7 fooking days in Human time or 7 days in view to how God may see time??!! Really stupid!

Someone can be tested to pray for a bike. Why would that happen?

Someone can pray for the strength to overcome adversity and it happen. How the fook do you scientifically prove or disprove that, genius??

Boy, you really do grate on the nerve!

It's dumb of me to ask you anything. Why do I keep kidding myself that you can have a mature dialogue...

Prayer can be tested and it has. Is a severe illness enough adversity for you? It's been tested. It failed. Look it up if you're so open minded and embracive of science.<br /><br />-- Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:57 am --<br /><br />
Bigga said:
Lloyd, I've already said I cannot and won't define God. I'll tell you what, though, you define 'love' in all its aspects, first.

Love is an emotion of intense affection and attachment towards a person, idea or thing.

Your turn...
 

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