God

[Ally.P]

Jesus Christ Himself was a manifestation of God, the Divine made flesh to enable humanity to be aware of a unique relationship with God. Prior to His Coming, God had been incomprehensible to humans beyond the capacity of our perception and understanding. Through the birth of Christ, humanity was given an overt expression of God's reality in human terms. Christ is not seen as a separate entity, but as reflective of the multiple consciousness that is the oneness of God. There are not three divine beings comprising the trinity, but one Divine Nature in which the three aspects of God are present. Nor did Christ come to redeem us from original sin. Rather, His mission was that of revealing the nature and reality of the spiritual life, and to provide a living example of it.

This is my 'faith' regarding Jesus.

 

[Bigga]

I take it you surmise this statement from some 'proof' of science??

well stars are an explosion of gases and the sun is a star itself

According to science, we all come from an explosion...

 

[Ally.P]

This kind of explains to me why bad things happen, not natural things like earthquakes etc, but bad actions by people. God is Love and so gives us complete Free Will.

Without free will in spiritual things the human being can in no wise advance into light, i.e., into truths and goods of the church, or procure himself a life. Without that free will he would not be a human being but only a figure and a phantom. For his thought would be without reflection, consequently without judgment and thus in Divine things which are of the Church he would have no more ability to turn than a door without a hinge, or with one fastened with a bolt of steel. His will, too, would be devoid of decision, hence no more active towards justice or injustice than the stone on the mound under which lies a dead body...." (Coronis, 24 28)

 

[BulgarianPride]

When i was 3 i got hit by a bus. Three nights before this my mum had nightmares involving her dead grandmother(god bless her) screaming my name. After i got hit and when i saw my mum, i told her "god saved me". I was 3, and nobody though me about god/jesus.

Every time i was sick i WANTED my parents to take me to church. I spend hours there they couldn't even force me out. They just waited until i wanted to leave. I was about 3-5 years old and every time i would feel better. Now when i do go back in Bulgaria and enter the same churches i went to when i was a kid i get goose bumps and i can stay there for days. I haven't read the Bible. So i am no too religious, i just believe and it makes me feel good.

interesting story but why would a god(any good one that is) allow a three year old get hit by a bus, get hurt( i assume you were) give massive emotional stress to your family as well as the bus driver just so you can get a revelation at 3
not very nice is he/she/it, not someone i would like to be associated with i'm afraid
-- Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:43 am --



Hey. My brain is fired from studying for finals (electronics engineering student) so it might not make sense(to me) in a couple of weeks.

c'mon give me a chance english please :-)

Sorry... My brain is fried, not fired.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

I'm an agnostic and believe in peoples rights to embrace anything that furthers them in life, but for me personally science has done nothing but prove the lack of an existence of god, not actually prove there isn't one...... the bible itself is a hand picked handbook which suits an institution for their own gain, nobody else, why else would a gospel such as Thomas be left out from the bible?

"The Kingdom of God is within you and all around you not in buildings of wood and stone"

 

[Anonymous]

let me give my view....

the human brain isnt strong enough to figue out all these big questions. try imagining yourself dead, as in no longer existing. you cant do it because our brains wont let us. i think that no human being will ever find out how the universe really began or how big it is or what surrounds it, we as a species are not clever enough, hopefully one day we may survive long enough and evolve into something that can figue some of these things out. but i think its unlikely.

id love to find out why im here and how everything came to exist but sadly i think we will never no, just as cats and dogs dont have a fucking clue either.

 

[BulgarianPride]

You've misunderstood my point. The concept of the void is a gap in our understanding of our surroundings. Thus, God can fill a void because God fills a gap in our understanding of creation, but fairies cannot as they DON'T fill in a gap of our understanding about the world in which we live.
Birds don't need to fill a void, simply because they are plainly shown to exist through empirical evidence.



If you can tell me the gaps of human understanding that the traditional myth of a fairy "illuminates", then I'll give you the point.

On second thought I concede the point about birds and the void. I was going to suggest an animal that we're not yet aware of but we could find strange footprints which would create a void in knowledge (what created these?) to be filled by discovering this new animal.

You're assuming that we have knowledge of all our gaps in knowledge. Fairies could fill one of these gaps that we are not yet aware of. (just as we are not yet aware of a special kind of footprint that an as yet undiscovered animal is currently making)

PS. I see no reason why fairies should be based strictly on traditional tales (responsible for missing objects etc.). You're not basing "god" strictly on Yahweh.

EDIT: This is all getting a bit "mental masturbation" for me. I can see your point and it's a valid one. The thing I took issue with is perhaps more the way your framed your claim:

"Those presenting an argument that a belief in a God-like figrue is akin to a belief in fairies are just plain wrong."

"presenting AN argument" suggests any argument comparing the belief in god with the belief in fairies. The valid argument here is with regards to justifiable belief and proving a negative. Unless we're talking about "Magic Men", such as Yahweh et al, the other comparison, which you take issue with, is not valid.

-- Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:09 pm --

It actually is. We are talking about human believes and the human mind. To us, the universe does not exist until life was created. Although we know it existed, but thats because we are alive. You see. If we were never alive we would of never known about the existence of the universe therefore it did not exist.

How old are you? Are you under 29? If so, are you telling me that I did not exist before you were born?

I am 20.
No and yes. I am saying if there is no other living being around you, your existance will not be realized. So it's like never existing. I give you a box full of gold, you never open the box, therefore you got no gold. Nobody ever gave you gold, they gave you a box. Unless you open the box, nothing in the box exists ( to you). ( yeah i don't know...)

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Jesus Christ Himself was a manifestation of God, the Divine made flesh to enable humanity to be aware of a unique relationship with God. Prior to His Coming, God had been incomprehensible to humans beyond the capacity of our perception and understanding. Through the birth of Christ, humanity was given an overt expression of God's reality in human terms. Christ is not seen as a separate entity, but as reflective of the multiple consciousness that is the oneness of God. There are not three divine beings comprising the trinity, but one Divine Nature in which the three aspects of God are present. Nor did Christ come to redeem us from original sin. Rather, His mission was that of revealing the nature and reality of the spiritual life, and to provide a living example of it.

This is my 'faith' regarding Jesus.

sorry but its this type of interpretation which turns people off, its bordering on wacko to think a new generation of kids could get excited about such a viewpoint..... but i get it, its your belief and I respect that.

 

[ElanJo]

Jesus Christ Himself was a manifestation of God, the Divine made flesh to enable humanity to be aware of a unique relationship with God. Prior to His Coming, God had been incomprehensible to humans beyond the capacity of our perception and understanding. Through the birth of Christ, humanity was given an overt expression of God's reality in human terms. Christ is not seen as a separate entity, but as reflective of the multiple consciousness that is the oneness of God. There are not three divine beings comprising the trinity, but one Divine Nature in which the three aspects of God are present. Nor did Christ come to redeem us from original sin. Rather, His mission was that of revealing the nature and reality of the spiritual life, and to provide a living example of it.

This is my 'faith' regarding Jesus.

Are/Were your parents Swedenborgians aswell?

 

[lloydie]

Jesus Christ Himself was a manifestation of God, the Divine made flesh to enable humanity to be aware of a unique relationship with God. Prior to His Coming, God had been incomprehensible to humans beyond the capacity of our perception and understanding. Through the birth of Christ, humanity was given an overt expression of God's reality in human terms. Christ is not seen as a separate entity, but as reflective of the multiple consciousness that is the oneness of God. There are not three divine beings comprising the trinity, but one Divine Nature in which the three aspects of God are present. Nor did Christ come to redeem us from original sin. Rather, His mission was that of revealing the nature and reality of the spiritual life, and to provide a living example of it.

This is my 'faith' regarding Jesus.

Are you saying that the OT is bollocks, and that non Christians are worshipping a false god?

And that prior to Jesus nobody could understand this....

This kind of explains to me why bad things happen, not natural things like earthquakes etc, but bad actions by people. God is Love and so gives us complete Free Will.

Without free will in spiritual things the human being can in no wise advance into light, i.e., into truths and goods of the church, or procure himself a life. Without that free will he would not be a human being but only a figure and a phantom. For his thought would be without reflection, consequently without judgment and thus in Divine things which are of the Church he would have no more ability to turn than a door without a hinge, or with one fastened with a bolt of steel. His will, too, would be devoid of decision, hence no more active towards justice or injustice than the stone on the mound under which lies a dead body...." (Coronis, 24 28)

Well I'm not surprised. Sorry pal but you sound a little confused to me.