ElanJo
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BulgarianPride said:
I know that, I'm just saying that it's difficult/impossible to picture nothing.
If the universe is eternal then it didn't come to be. In otherwords it didn't begin to exist
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I know that, I'm just saying that it's difficult/impossible to picture nothing.
If the universe is eternal then it didn't come to be. In otherwords it didn't begin to exist
mammutly
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Apologies for mixing 'of' with 'and', but the point remains.
Most theory is not independently verified by hundreds and thousands of scientists working independently doing double blind trials.
That's an extreme position at best.
As an example from medical science, many drugs have a theoretical basis of action which is not scientifically established.
The standard of verification for effectiveness seldom, if ever, approaches the levels you cite and meta analysis often reveals an inconclusive picture. Nevertheless, the theories remain clinically useful and direct much of the funded research.
Most theory is not independently verified by hundreds and thousands of scientists working independently doing double blind trials.
That's an extreme position at best.
As an example from medical science, many drugs have a theoretical basis of action which is not scientifically established.
The standard of verification for effectiveness seldom, if ever, approaches the levels you cite and meta analysis often reveals an inconclusive picture. Nevertheless, the theories remain clinically useful and direct much of the funded research.
mammutly said:Apologies for mixing 'of' with 'and', but the point remains.
Most theory is not independently verified by hundreds and thousands of scientists working independently doing double blind trials.
That's an extreme position at best.
As an example from medical science, many drugs have a theoretical basis of action which is not scientifically established.
The standard of verification for effectiveness seldom, if ever, approaches the levels you cite and meta analysis often reveals an inconclusive picture. Nevertheless, the theories remain clinically useful and direct much of the funded research.
back to the main point though thousands upon thousands of people have tried to prove the existance of a god without 1 iota of success.
if you know of one we are all ears
mammutly said:Apologies for mixing 'of' with 'and', but the point remains.
Most theory is not independently verified by hundreds and thousands of scientists working independently doing double blind trials.
That's an extreme position at best.
As an example from medical science, many drugs have a theoretical basis of action which is not scientifically established.
The standard of verification for effectiveness seldom, if ever, approaches the levels you cite and meta analysis often reveals an inconclusive picture. Nevertheless, the theories remain clinically useful and direct much of the funded research.
I think now you've explained the point, that you were correct with the initial comment and I got it wrong. What I should have said, is that most theory in physics is independently verified by hundreds or sometimes thousands of scientists. This ranges from testing relativity and currently the Horava effect, to kids doing the "slit in a box" test.
GStar
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I'm going to be annoying and ask if anyone in these nearly 30 pages has given a plausable explanation for beleiving in God?
I've had this debate with some very religious people and all it ends up boiling down to is; "Faith. Blind Faith".
I've had this debate with some very religious people and all it ends up boiling down to is; "Faith. Blind Faith".
GStar said:I'm going to be annoying and ask if anyone in these nearly 30 pages has given a plausable explanation for beleiving in God?
I've had this debate with some very religious people and all it ends up boiling down to is; "Faith. Blind Faith".
course there is isn't
but it is interesting listening/reading reason's on why they think there is
that is the last bastion of the desperate the old faith card
MCFC BOB
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Okay, GStar. I'm an athiest, but I'm going to use song lyrics, just as you've been doing, to describe this situation. ^^
'It's not faith if... if you use your eyes'.
It sort of fits.
'It's not faith if... if you use your eyes'.
It sort of fits.
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God does not exist
GStar
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I'm well aware of the situation mate... i just want someone with a different approach as to why they believe.
There's as much evidence, that i know of, that God exists, as there is of Scientology-esque alien invasions.
I've never found, nor had explained to me, any logical or plausible explanation to a belief in "God".
I just like to here something that makes 'sense'.
There's as much evidence, that i know of, that God exists, as there is of Scientology-esque alien invasions.
I've never found, nor had explained to me, any logical or plausible explanation to a belief in "God".
I just like to here something that makes 'sense'.
ElanJo
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No-ones even defined "God" mate so I wouldn't hold up much hope on that front.
Actually, Mammutley did sort of define what he means by "God" but his definition is basically Pantheism/Panentheism, not what most people mean when they say "God" .
Actually, Mammutley did sort of define what he means by "God" but his definition is basically Pantheism/Panentheism, not what most people mean when they say "God" .