God

[tonea2003]

I wasn't trying to be condesending, the "sensible" came from I deemed it to be sensible for me!
What irritates me with the god squad is their arrogance in believibg that they are right and everyone else is misguided.
I choose not to believe, due to your over-reaction I assume that you find this in some way objectionable.
Tough!
Copurnicus was hounded as a heretic for suggesting that the solar system was heliocentric as opposed to geocentric, a fact that was later proven. This however did not dissuade the church from making his life being made a living hell.
Religion, in all its forms, is an intolerant and supremely arrogant form of social control.
I was going to keep quiet on this subject but your patronising reply has prompted me to be a little more forceful in my arguments and for that I am sorry.
Still don't worry atheists never burnt anyone at the stake for having an opposing view so thats ok!

The 'over-reaction' is yours to solely own!!

I am not part of the 'God squad' as you seem to think. Indeed, I think some of them should be put in the dock, for us to question!

IF you've bothered reading on past the response to your "sensible" post, you will be that I've said that science and religious belief can work in tandem.

Put your dummy back in!

facts in tandem with non facts. interesting

 

[Bigga]

The 'over-reaction' is yours to solely own!!

I am not part of the 'God squad' as you seem to think. Indeed, I think some of them should be put in the dock, for us to question!

IF you've bothered reading on past the response to your "sensible" post, you will be that I've said that science and religious belief can work in tandem.

Put your dummy back in!

facts in tandem with non facts. interesting

No, that's sarcasm.

What you SHOULD be asking is why a lot of scientists (and doctors) believe religiously as well practising science.

THAT'S interesting.

 

[tonea2003]

facts in tandem with non facts. interesting

No, that's sarcasm.

What you SHOULD be asking is why a lot of scientists (and doctors) believe religiously as well practising science.

THAT'S interesting.

sarcasm from me or you?
as for your last quote that is very interesting
but i bet the % who do has reduced dramatically in the last century or so.
with a greater understanding comes a greater realisation

 

[fast eddie]

I assume you mean all gods in all religions and not just christianity?

Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the same God whilst Hindu, Sikh and Buddhist followers don't directly disagree with what the Monotheistic Faiths believe. That's the 6 main Religions covered and any other Gods will belong to smaller / minor Faiths.

When people say God is fair to assume they mean the one God believed in by the major Faiths.

 

[BimboBob]

I assume you mean all gods in all religions and not just christianity?

Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the same God whilst Hindu, Sikh and Buddhist followers don't directly disagree with what the Monotheistic Faiths believe. That's the 6 main Religions covered and any other Gods will belong to smaller / minor Faiths.

When people say God is fair to assume they mean the one God believed in by the major Faiths.

You missed out Pagans. Their Gods are older than the rest and weirdly have the same worship days. How weird is that!

 

[Bigga]

No, that's sarcasm.

What you SHOULD be asking is why a lot of scientists (and doctors) believe religiously as well practising science.

THAT'S interesting.

sarcasm from me or you?
as for your last quote that is very interesting
but i bet the % who do has reduced dramatically in the last century or so.
with a greater understanding comes a greater realisation

Well, of course, that would happen.

What's MORE interesting though, is that belief hasn't 100% disappeared with that 'greater understanding'. In fact, I daresay, their belief is merely underlined.

Why would that be, then?

 

[tonea2003]

Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the same God whilst Hindu, Sikh and Buddhist followers don't directly disagree with what the Monotheistic Faiths believe. That's the 6 main Religions covered and any other Gods will belong to smaller / minor Faiths.

When people say God is fair to assume they mean the one God believed in by the major Faiths.

You missed out Pagans. Their Gods are older than the rest and weirdly have the same worship days. How weird is that!

and they were drummed out for worshipping things that were real and tangible
i.e sun and the moon. how weird is that!

 

[BulgarianPride]

why will you always do so, i find this intriguing

-- Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:36 am --

No you wont m8. Most of us are adult enough to had a resoned debabte. give it a shot

agreed i'm all ears as well, tell me why i should believe?

Why do you want people to tell you why you should believe?. I don't care if you do or don't. Nobody should except you.

How sure are you that we just expire when we die? Have you died before? Tell me, are you 100% sure we just expire? Your body does, but what happens to your mind/soul?

Why shouldn't i always believe in god? My believe is not hurting anyone. I am a "scientific" person but i will always believe. I got my own personal reasons for doing so.

 

[Bigga]

why will you always do so, i find this intriguing

-- Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:36 am --



agreed i'm all ears as well, tell me why i should believe?

Why do you want people to tell you why you should believe?. I don't care if you do or don't. Nobody should except you.

How sure are you that we just expire when we die? Have you died before? Tell me, are you 100% sure we just expire? Your body does, but what happens to your mind/soul?

Why shouldn't i always believe in god? My believe is not hurting anyone. I am a "scientific" person but i will always believe. I got my own personal reasons for doing so.

I continue to be staggered by the fact that people cannot seem to grasp (on both sides of the argument) that understanding science and having (a) faith don't have to be polarised!

As Tonea2003 has failed to respond to my question, earlier, I can only assume that people of science and medicine that continue to believe are doing so because they cannot explain certain aspects of science and medicine, regardless of their continued studying and teachings.

There must a 'wonderment' factor when they delve into things for I cannot understand WHY they are not simply dismissive of religious belief, as a result of learnings.

 

[ElanJo]

I have pretty strong views on theism and am highly scientific, as some may have already read.

However, empirical science is the way in which we choose to define our reality with the differences between facts and myth. Those presenting an argument that a belief in a God-like figrue is akin to a belief in fairies are just plain wrong.

Theoretical physics, especially that pertaining to space, is full of theories based on very little evidence. Black holes, for example, were never really observed until recently yet they were predicted by various models of the laws of the universe. A lot of phenomena that we take for granted as 'true' is stuff that is predicted but cannot be observed. Dark matter is a particularly annoying thing that is pretty recent and in my opinion, seems to be based more around necessity to fit a system rather than observational evidence.

Anyway, my point of this, is that none of us can really comprehend the Universe as it is. The signs point to a single point in space that started the Big Bang effect, but the recent discovery that the Universe's expansion is actually speeding up has thrown a few doubts into the model.

Even if you personally believe the Big Bang/dark matter model, this still doesn't answer the fundamental question of how the moment of creation came to be. Saying that there is no God is as much a leap of faith as saying that there is. The only real answer is that we have no evidence either way to suggest a true theory.

You miss the point then. People claim "you can't disprove God", as tho it is therefore reasonable to believe in its existence. Simply replying "you can't disprove fairies" shows the absurdity of such a position.