Going Green to save Planet Earth

Psychedelic Casual said:
China are the number one polluter but they also recognise that fact and they are also one of the world’s leaders at innovating and looking to move to green energy and green solutions.

They mainly started looking at it from their air pollution figures (by the way, Manchester has topped the worst air pollution figures for the whole of Europe a few times and is always up in the top few places. The Green topic is not just about climate!). They found that 2m people a year were dying as a result of poor air quality in Chinese cities (17% of all Chinese deaths), and the problem of air pollution was costing China £500bn a year. This then lead to more investment in the field and they are even building entirely green cities now.

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China is making its energy companies get 40% of their energy from non-fossil fuel sources by 2030.

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China plans to raise minimum renewable power purchase to 40% by 2030: government document

China will force regional grid firms to buy at least 40% of power from non-fossil fuel sources by 2030 in order to meet the country's climate targets, according to a new government document seen by Reuters.
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China is also a leader in investing in green initiatives worldwide. They invested US$31bn worldwide in 2019 alone.

They’re actually doing more around this than nearly everyone else in the world.
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They are about to build fourty six new coal fire power stations
 
Thorin Oakenshield said:
Jeez if you love china so much why don't you marry it
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Their main investment fund owns 13% of City, why not take an interest?

But it’s not that I love China (I don’t!), I just think it’s a proper cop-out when people say things like “why should I, or my country, or the West, make so many changes when China pump so much CO2 out?”, when China is nowhere near the top (like I said, 43rd and going down by the year) when it comes to how much CO2 they pump out per capita, they are aiming for their peak will come before 2030, and are investing more and doing more in Green enhancements than most of the rest of the world.

Can they be better? bloody damn right, but so can all of us, and that’s the point.
 
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Psychedelic Casual said:
Their main investment fund owns 13% of City, why not take an interest?

But it’s not that I love China (I don’t!), I just think it’s a proper cop-out when people say things like “why should I, or my country, or the West, make so many changes when China pump so much CO2 out?”, when China is nowhere near the top (like I said, 43rd and going down by the year) when it comes to how much CO2 they pump out per capita, they are aiming for their peak will come before 2030, and are investing more and doing more in Green enhancements than most of the rest of the world.

Can they be better? bloody damn right, but so can all of us, and that’s the point.
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This is bang on and sums up the situation perfectly.

The majority of us continue this apathetic approach to global warming because we're so bothered about what other people are doing.

Ignore China..... what can WE do to reduce global emissions?
 
mancity1 said:
You ain't seen nothing yet , their carbon footprint is well on the rise , nearly 1 billion in poverty and this is why they are building lots of coal fire power stations.

look at their steel production ( covid aside ) , transportation and cement production they are growing at a massive rate.

their population is still growing and despite forecasts it will start to decline the rate of decline will be far exceeded by the increase in standard of living.

the poorer you are the smaller your carbon footprint as a rule.

they produced more cement in 2011 to 2013 than the US did for the whole of the 20th century.

these power stations have at least 40 years of life in them and they will continue to build them for decades to come.

China's aim means little PC they cannot be trusted on anything politically motivated and I have said they need regime change and political system change before we can even begin to treat them seriously.

Nothing to do with per person PC its what the country as a whole emit.

India won't be far behind them and then their is Indonesia , I could go on whose populations are increasing massively.

its like saying we have 10 of the richest people in the world in one country and therefore are a rich country.

We could turn of all the lights tomorrow , cease public and private transport and for a country like Australia it won't do jot for the climate , that's not me saying that its Australia's leading climate scientists.
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Some of that post is poppycock.

According to the World Bank 76% of China lives above the world upper-middle income poverty line. In 2019 (no figures for 2020/2021 yet), only 0.6% of the Chinese population live below the world extreme poverty line (down from 49.8% at the turn of the century):
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China: poverty ratio 2020 | Statista

Since 2000, the share of people living in extreme poverty in rural China has been constantly decreasing.
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“No matter what metric is applied, China’s progress in tackling poverty is nevertheless apparent. In the year 2000, around half of Chinese, more than 600 million, still lived below the national poverty line. Nearly all Chinese lived below the poverty line for upper-middle income countries as recently as 1990.”
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Infographic: Is China Tackling Poverty?

This chart shows the share of people living under the national and upper-middle income poverty lines in China (in percent).
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(These are World Bank figures used at the same standard for the whole world, not just Chinese figures. For example, using the same standards 4.4% of Brazil are under what the 0.6% of China is.)

I agree about the next lot of things you talked about, but, as well as things I’ve already mentioned you have to factor in that a huge amount of the rest of the world contribute to China’s CO2 emissions. We all buy things that are made in China, that new kettle you bought recently, that new toaster I bought recently… we all add to China’s carbon footprint. They are also the #1 for building investments (including extensive road networks) in Africa, and build many things here in Britain n’all (in 2013 they invested 20% of the funds and many of the materials to build Airport City). All that cement and steel needs to be produced somewhere and the rest of the world looks to China to make it all but then have the cheek to moan about their carbon footprint.

They aren’t doing anything particularly drastic compared to anyone else when it comes to what they emit. They simply have a huge population and the rest of the world uses China as well. And at 43rd in the world per capita (which does matter, we are a human species living on the same planet, and they aren’t anywhere near the biggest problem per person) they are well down the list. They’ve stayed around the 30s and 40s places in getting those hundreds of millions out of poverty over the last 20-30 years. Standard of living will go up for those already out but they’re doing a huge amount of achieve that through Green initiatives.
 
inbetween said:
Another one in Chorley here (Euxton)!

I'm not going to Whitby anytime soon but I had to drive my diesel into Manchester the other week because it's £46 return for 2 people to go on the train!

We parked on the car park on Sheffield Street for 2 nights behind Piccadilly station, £8......
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This is the problem. Until that train cost becomes at least half the price of a car journey then nothing is going to change. Public transport needs to be free paid for by the tax payers. It's the only way people would use it more
 
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