Going Green to save Planet Earth

[City Hobgoblin]

Locally brewed beers have a low carbon footprint

 

[Deleted member 77198]

their C02 output hit a record output for the year ending March 2021 and that with covid of course and they currently emit more than all the developed countries combined and under the UN Convention will be seen as a developing nation for decades to come.

they are building coal fired power stations like they are going out of style and their carbon footprint will continue to sky rocket for decades to come while the EU , the UK , the US and countries like Australia lambast each other behind closed doors basically paying lip service to climate change while China gets dirtier and more powerful by the day.

Ask the state run press and the CCP and they will say covid didn't emanate in China and bodies like the UN and the WHO haven't the courage or the conviction to make them accountable.

The world wide approach to climate change will make a corrupt communist Government like China more powerful and the West weaker and whether we like it or not you need to emit a lot of CO2 to build your military spending to at least 5 per cent of your GDP and the West needs to do it in a hurry.

China have 23% of the world’s CO2 output but they have 21% of the world’s population. China are actually down in 43rd place for CO2 emissions per capita, and that’s gone down from 37th place in 2014.

Canada (7th), Australia (11th), USA (16th), Czechia (24th), Netherlands (27th), Germany (28th), Austria (34th), Belgium (35th), Ireland (36th), Poland (41st)… all emit more CO2 per person than China does. [UK are 60th]

You as an individual Aussie citizen emit more CO2 into the world (17.1 tonnes) than the average individual Chinese citizen (7.38 tonnes).

Despite emitting the most, they aren’t particularly the major problem per capita. It’s mainly the Middle East (7 of the top 16 CO2 emitters per capita) and North America and Australia (all in the top 16).

And in terms of their overall output; China recognise they are a problem, and they are doing a lot of things about it. Despite them still building coal powered fire stations, they are coming out with Green initiatives well ahead and far greater size and investment than most other counties. China’s aim is for their CO2 output to peak before 2030.

 

[give it to gordon]

going green yes its a good thing but most people arent bothered. Take the school run, on school holidays i can get to work in 10 minutes, In school term its takes 30 minutes due to all the 4x4 doing the school run. Now if these school kids really cared about saving the planet why dont they cycle, walk or go on the bus ? Why let their parents drive them ?
In Cornwall the other week all the hippies etc driving around in old transit vans and campa vans chucking out loads of fumes.
Yet people think i should get rid of my diesel car which does 70mpg, go electric. If i go electric thats me stopping going to City games as the range wouldnt get me there, same with holidaying in Cornwall. plus i cant afford to but a new car.

I give up the two things i enjoy the most City and Cornwall, and than spend most of my days stuck in the school run. The main problem with going green you need to be mostly middle class to be able to afford to go green.

And how do these smart meters work ? I dont need a meter to tell me if i switch a light of my bill goes down its common sence. I really dont understand smart meters and i havent got one !

 

[Manchester33]

going green yes its a good thing but most people arent bothered. Take the school run, on school holidays i can get to work in 10 minutes, In school term its takes 30 minutes due to all the 4x4 doing the school run. Now if these school kids really cared about saving the planet why dont they cycle, walk or go on the bus ? Why let their parents drive them ?
In Cornwall the other week all the hippies etc driving around in old transit vans and campa vans chucking out loads of fumes.
Yet people think i should get rid of my diesel car which does 70mpg, go electric. If i go electric thats me stopping going to City games as the range wouldnt get me there, same with holidaying in Cornwall. plus i cant afford to but a new car.

I give up the two things i enjoy the most City and Cornwall, and than spend most of my days stuck in the school run. The main problem with going green you need to be mostly middle class to be able to afford to go green.

And how do these smart meters work ? I dont need a meter to tell me if i switch a light of my bill goes down its common sence. I really dont understand smart meters and i havent got one !

but most people arent bothered.

I disagree. It think the vast majority of people are bothered. But being bothered and actually doing something are two different things.

Now if these school kids really cared about saving the planet why dont they cycle, walk or go on the bus ?

Are you really having a go at children here lol? It's not a child's responsibility to 'save the planet'. It's the adults who've got us into this mess.

Yet people think i should get rid of my diesel car which does 70mpg, go electric.

The best thing you can do is run your car into the ground. Car production emits tons of CO2 and is terrible for the environment. In fact, there's a reasonable argument to say buying a second-hand car with an internal combustion engine is better than buying a brand new fully electric car. If you're eventually going to buy a brand new car though, electric (or hopefully someday soon hydrogen) is a better choice for the environment and for the school kids you mentioned who have to breathe in the pollutants diesel and petrol cars emit.

the range wouldnt get me there

Depends on which car you go for. A Kia e-niro is an unbelievable car for it's price and can do around 250-280 miles. The range on electric cars is improving constantly. within 10 years we'll see cars doing 500 miles + on a single charge. I can't imagine you doing the full run from Kent without stopping though? There are tons of charging points available at most M-way services now. One-stop each way would get you there and back and probably save you a few hundred pounds a month in the process.

need to be mostly middle class to be able to afford to go green.

Driving an electric vehicle isn't the only way to go green. You can:
- eat less red meat and reduce food waste
- buy locally rather than imported things
- switch to a green energy provider
- Sign petitions and pressure the government to make changes
- drive and fly less (use public transport where available)
- buy fewer things (like clothes, toys, clutter etc) and repair rather than replace others.

I really dont understand smart meters and i havent got one !

Smart meters just make life a little easier in terms of reading meters and changing providers. They aren't a silver bullet to solve global warming, more an advancement in the industry.



I say all this as someone who has a lot to improve on my own CO2 footprint. I don't think it should be a them and us argument though. School kids aren't to blame, the poor aren't to blame etc. If we ALL do something we CAN make a difference.

 

[mancity1]

China have 23% of the world’s CO2 output but they have 21% of the world’s population. China are actually down in 43rd place for CO2 emissions per capita, and that’s gone down from 37th place in 2014.

Canada (7th), Australia (11th), USA (16th), Czechia (24th), Netherlands (27th), Germany (28th), Austria (34th), Belgium (35th), Ireland (36th), Poland (41st)… all emit more CO2 per person than China does. [UK are 60th]

You as an individual Aussie citizen emit more CO2 into the world (17.1 tonnes) than the average individual Chinese citizen (7.38 tonnes).

Despite emitting the most, they aren’t particularly the major problem per capita. It’s mainly the Middle East (7 of the top 16 CO2 emitters per capita) and North America and Australia (all in the top 16).

And in terms of their overall output; China recognise they are a problem, and they are doing a lot of things about it. Despite them still building coal powered fire stations, they are coming out with Green initiatives well ahead and far greater size and investment than most other counties. China’s aim is for their CO2 output to peak before 2030.

You ain't seen nothing yet , their carbon footprint is well on the rise , nearly 1 billion in poverty and this is why they are building lots of coal fire power stations.

look at their steel production ( covid aside ) , transportation and cement production they are growing at a massive rate.

their population is still growing and despite forecasts it will start to decline the rate of decline will be far exceeded by the increase in standard of living.

the poorer you are the smaller your carbon footprint as a rule.

they produced more cement in 2011 to 2013 than the US did for the whole of the 20th century.

these power stations have at least 40 years of life in them and they will continue to build them for decades to come.

China's aim means little PC they cannot be trusted on anything politically motivated and I have said they need regime change and political system change before we can even begin to treat them seriously.

Nothing to do with per person PC its what the country as a whole emit.

India won't be far behind them and then their is Indonesia , I could go on whose populations are increasing massively.

its like saying we have 10 of the richest people in the world in one country and therefore are a rich country.

We could turn of all the lights tomorrow , cease public and private transport and for a country like Australia it won't do jot for the climate , that's not me saying that its Australia's leading climate scientists.

 

[kaz7]

I havent eaten meat or fish since early eighties , i barely drive , my house is fully insulated , i try to dodge plastic from the shops as much as poss , recycle everything , let my garden develop into a nature reserve , shower not bath

If the gov want to give me money for my petrol car and give me the money for an electric car and ten grand for a new style boiler then bring it on

 

[yerwot?]

saving the planet at the expense of corporate profit?
Dream on...

 

[abu13]

In 2006 there was a film called "an inconvenient truth" anyone who watched it would see so many of the predictions made at the time now coming to fruition.

15 years later we are getting Boris talking about a his "minute to midnight" bollocks.

The truth is that as a species we are fucked, we had the chance but put money and greed in front of our future generations.

No China, No Russia, no fucking point.

 

[kaz7]

Michael jackson was battered for trying to get people to save the planet , he was before his time on that , if only we had listened

 

[Thorin Oakenshield]

China are the number one polluter but they also recognise that fact and they are also one of the world’s leaders at innovating and looking to move to green energy and green solutions.

They mainly started looking at it from their air pollution figures (by the way, Manchester has topped the worst air pollution figures for the whole of Europe a few times and is always up in the top few places. The Green topic is not just about climate!). They found that 2m people a year were dying as a result of poor air quality in Chinese cities (17% of all Chinese deaths), and the problem of air pollution was costing China £500bn a year. This then lead to more investment in the field and they are even building entirely green cities now.

Liuzhou Forest City redefines a green city, changing the perception of urban living

Liuzhou Forest Cityis a brilliantgreen architecture conceptthat is bound to change the existing perception of urban living. This new city

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China is making its energy companies get 40% of their energy from non-fossil fuel sources by 2030.

China plans to raise minimum renewable power purchase to 40% by 2030: government document

China will force regional grid firms to buy at least 40% of power from non-fossil fuel sources by 2030 in order to meet the country's climate targets, according to a new government document seen by Reuters.

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China is also a leader in investing in green initiatives worldwide. They invested US$31bn worldwide in 2019 alone.

They’re actually doing more around this than nearly everyone else in the world.

Jeez if you love china so much why don't you marry it