Good Article in the Independent

svennis pennis said:
On the other it shows we have a group of petulant professionals who are intentionally undermining the manager because they cant deal with his methods.

You mean like Hamann? Model pro at Liverpool and then shite under Pearce. Comes to life under Sven and was a great player for the team last year. Under Hughes back to shite again. So what methods do you think Hughes and Pearce used to make Hamann say 'bollocks to this' - albeit in German and put in a shift for the team that is useless?

Its all down to man management. If people and ADUG want Hughes and his man management style then fine but all you will end up with a is a better funded Blackburn.
 
Apart from the stupid comment about Garrido that's not a bad article. We were crap the second half of last season under Sven and if certain players ahve attitude problems then fuck em off for me. I'm not decided on the merits or otherwise of Hughes but I do want players out there who will bust a gut for the club and fans no matter who the manager is.

Best players this season- Kompany, Zabaleta haven't let anyone down. As for Hughes "losing" the dressing room he has got performances over and above what we expected from Ireland and Garrido.

I like Elano but he really should stop sulking. Richards and johnson ? Ultimately players will fuck up and fail to realise their potential becasue of their own inner workings whoever is managing them.
 
journolud said:
Apart from the stupid comment about Garrido that's not a bad article. We were crap the second half of last season under Sven and if certain players ahve attitude problems then fuck em off for me. I'm not decided on the merits or otherwise of Hughes but I do want players out there who will bust a gut for the club and fans no matter who the manager is.

Best players this season- Kompany, Zabaleta haven't let anyone down. As for Hughes "losing" the dressing room he has got performances over and above what we expected from Ireland and Garrido.

I like Elano but he really should stop sulking. Richards and johnson ? Ultimately players will fuck up and fail to realise their potential becasue of their own inner workings whoever is managing them.

And below what we're expecting from Richards, Didi, Dunne. It works both ways.

I fear that MH uses a 'one size fits all' approach to man management and expects all the players to react to it in the same way. It just doesn't work like this. Good managers, in any profession, are able to adapt their leadership style to the individuals they have under them. If he persists with this style then we will end up with, as Bob says, a better funded Blackburn.
 
BobKowalski said:
svennis pennis said:
On the other it shows we have a group of petulant professionals who are intentionally undermining the manager because they cant deal with his methods.

You mean like Hamann? Model pro at Liverpool and then shite under Pearce. Comes to life under Sven and was a great player for the team last year. Under Hughes back to shite again. So what methods do you think Hughes and Pearce used to make Hamann say 'bollocks to this' - albeit in German and put in a shift for the team that is useless?

Its all down to man management. If people and ADUG want Hughes and his man management style then fine but all you will end up with a is a better funded Blackburn.

Look there are inconsistencies all over the place at the moment. It is clear that Didi's legs are gone. Its just a year to much for him now. IMO anyway.
We need time to develop. We cant make the leap to the top four in a season. Let Hughes build the team that will make us a solid unit first and then he will hopefully develop as we do. Picking the players that the owners would like to see on top of a squad that he trusts.

Hughes is what we have at the moment. Even if he loses tomorrow I imagine he will still be here at least until January. Until he is no longer our manager he gets my support.
 
BobKowalski said:
It is an excellent article and confirms what many of us have suspected that Hughes is presiding over a divided dressing room parts of which he has lost. But this tactic of leaking all to the papers is shocking as it will only deepen the division and in no way helps our cause. I was unhappy with Elano bleating to the press and unhappy with Robinho as well. Equally I am unhappy with this story because it clearly is designed to put Hughes case in the public domain and I have no time for that then I did for Elano.

These matters have and should be resolved behind closed doors. How it is resolved seems to involve either selling 80% of the squad or getting rid of the management team. ADUG need to do one or the other and fast because we will implode if this sort of shit continues. ADUG also need to make up their minds as to what they want. If they want Blackburn then back Hughes and bring in hard working players and we can aim for 6th spot and the odd cup success. If they want Chelsea then sack Hughes and his team and bring in a manager that can motivate the quality players that need to be purchased.

Enough is enough.


I agree. Stop posting. You sound like a girl who's just had a hand up her skirt for the first time - "shocking." It's an "excellent" article because it confirms you in your beliefs, end of story. You toss out some chaff, i.e. Robinho & Elano & Hughes are as bad as one another (no evidence is there that Hughes is the primary source for this?), drawing the reader in with the illusion that you are disinterested, impartial, and even-handed (they all "bleat"); which of course you are not.

You deliberately offer a false choice, i.e. "selling 80% of the squad or getting rid of the management team". You consciously ratchet up the tension by stating "we will implode if this sort of shit continues", and I concur, if within the ambit of "shit" you include your own bleating. You save the worst for last, opting to go out on a low-note, "If they want Blackburn...[If] they want Chelsea...". I cannot see the nexus between, "[that can] motivate the quality players that need to be purchased" and everything else you bored me with. Who are these quality players that Hughes has purchasedand failed to motivate? Name those quality players that Hughes inherited and has failed to motivate.
 
Brucie Bonus said:
BobKowalski said:
It is an excellent article and confirms what many of us have suspected that Hughes is presiding over a divided dressing room parts of which he has lost. But this tactic of leaking all to the papers is shocking as it will only deepen the division and in no way helps our cause. I was unhappy with Elano bleating to the press and unhappy with Robinho as well. Equally I am unhappy with this story because it clearly is designed to put Hughes case in the public domain and I have no time for that then I did for Elano.

These matters have and should be resolved behind closed doors. How it is resolved seems to involve either selling 80% of the squad or getting rid of the management team. ADUG need to do one or the other and fast because we will implode if this sort of shit continues. ADUG also need to make up their minds as to what they want. If they want Blackburn then back Hughes and bring in hard working players and we can aim for 6th spot and the odd cup success. If they want Chelsea then sack Hughes and his team and bring in a manager that can motivate the quality players that need to be purchased.

Enough is enough.


I agree. Stop posting. You sound like a girl who's just had a hand up her skirt for the first time - "shocking." It's an "excellent" article because it confirms you in your beliefs, end of story. You toss out some chaff, i.e. Robinho & Elano & Hughes are as bad as one another (no evidence is there that Hughes is the primary source for this?), drawing the reader in with the illusion that you are disinterested, impartial, and even-handed (they all "bleat"); which of course you are not.

You deliberately offer a false choice, i.e. "selling 80% of the squad or getting rid of the management team". You consciously ratchet up the tension by stating "we will implode if this sort of shit continues", and I concur, if within the ambit of "shit" you include your own bleating. You save the worst for last, opting to go out on a low-note, "If they want Blackburn...[If] they want Chelsea...". I cannot see the nexus between, "[that can] motivate the quality players that need to be purchased" and everything else you bored me with. Who are these quality players that Hughes has purchasedand failed to motivate? Name those quality players that Hughes inherited and has failed to motivate.


TBH I prefer your picture posts, I understand them better. :)
 
BobKowalski said:
svennis pennis said:
On the other it shows we have a group of petulant professionals who are intentionally undermining the manager because they cant deal with his methods.

You mean like Hamann? Model pro at Liverpool and then shite under Pearce. Comes to life under Sven and was a great player for the team last year. Under Hughes back to shite again. So what methods do you think Hughes and Pearce used to make Hamann say 'bollocks to this' - albeit in German and put in a shift for the team that is useless?

Its all down to man management. If people and ADUG want Hughes and his man management style then fine but all you will end up with a is a better funded Blackburn.

in the 4 years that hughes was at blackburn he transformed them from relegation fodder to a top 10 side getting into europe for the past 2 seasons!

now my argument being given time could he given time transform city from a top 10 side to being a top 4-6 side,i belive he can but in this day and age with pressure mounting up from all corners especilly our own fans i sadly dont think he will.
 
Gavin said:
He'd like it to appear to be everybody's fault but his own it seems. He's a poor manager making excuses to his mate in the press. It's the same after matches, in typical rag style.
This isn't his squad,he needs time which as the guy says he won't get,but neither will the next manager.
He's not a poor manager that is a daft statement & if the do it "rag style"means we win trophys then i don't give a shit how he does it as long as he does.
5 yrs the purple nosed twat got at the swamp to get things right & Hughes needs at least that to build City into a major force.
I'll bet half the squad will be history by next season.
 
Looks like we are finally going to show some patience as a club so lets get behind him and see what happens. There does seem to be an us and them attitude in the team at the moment. The Hughes way or the highway. And how can we judge him if it were any other way. It's the manager's job to manage so let him do what he has already shown he is more than capable of doing. Elano or even Robinho are not bigger than the club and as other teams have shown us time and time again, team spirit and commitment can overturn any apparent gap in the talent department. Hughes will build us a team with those qualities. Hopefully he can do it with some significant talent as well.

As for leaking to the press that would appear to be saying to the fans 'look boys we know it aint good but bear with us cos there are some bad apples here that we may need to get rid of if their attitude does not improve and that will start to happen in less than two weeks..'.
 
Just adds to what i thought all season . Players not doing what there overpaid to do , what the boss wants them to do . There just taking the piss lazy twats from svens regime
 

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