Grenfell Tower block disaster

[mancityvstoke]

Having children in tower blocks should be a thing of the past

 

[sir baconface]

there will be a huge investigation and someone will go to prison, It looks like they didnt use fire stops between the floors to me

If there's one thing public sector administrators and politicians are adept at, it's passing the parcel. Each link in the chain will blame the next so it will be variously the fault of the local authority, the fire service, central government, outdated fire regulations, the building contractors and the tenant management company. Everyone will say "lessons to be learned" and nobody will be prosecuted because no individual(s) will be pinned down.

Just hope I'm wrong but the concept of accountability is pretty alien in their world. Nailing jelly to the wall is generally a more productive pastime.

 

[lancs blue]

Just saw on the news that people are being treated for the effects of cyanide poisoning from foam in furniture.

How the fuck can anything that produces cyanide be allowed in the first place?

This goes back to the Woolworth's fire in Manchester, many of the victims suffered inhalation of toxic gases from the burning foam, and the law was finally changed in the late 80s to force manufacturers to use flame-resistant foam. It seems there was either some very old furniture in there or some hookey furniture that didn't meet regulations.

 

[inchy14]

Just saw on the news that people are being treated for the effects of cyanide poisoning from foam in furniture.

How the fuck can anything that produces cyanide be allowed in the first place?

It's in almost every plastic.

https://www.firerescue1.com/cyanide/articles/283219-Cyanide-poisoning-poses-hidden-threat/

Scary what is actually in our homes.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Having children in tower blocks should be a thing of the past

Why just children?

 

[johnmc]

Not sure how any of the contractors can be held to account for this unless they lied to the council say for example with respect to the nature of the internal element of the panels. The council signed it all off so the buck stops with them. If they didn't sign it off the contractors would have had to sort it.

 

[Dubai Blue]

Not sure how any of the contractors can be held to account for this unless they lied to the council say for example with respect to the nature of the internal element of the panels. The council signed it all off so the buck stops with them. If they didn't sign it off the contractors would have had to sort it.

Exactly. Some of the papers are playing a dangerous game trying to point the finger at individuals at this stage. But they did exactly the same with Hillsborough and we all know who took the lion's share of that blame for the next 25+ years.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Exactly. Some of the papers are playing a dangerous game trying to point the finger at individuals at this stage. But they did exactly the same with Hillsborough and we all know who took the lion's share of that blame for the next 25+ years.

It will be easy to find out who's to blame, there will be a paper trail leading right up to the individual that sanctioned it.

 

[johnmc]

Exactly. Some of the papers are playing a dangerous game trying to point the finger at individuals at this stage. But they did exactly the same with Hillsborough and we all know who took the lion's share of that blame for the next 25+ years.

Also there is a lot of talk about sprinklers. I doubt sprinklers would have made a difference in this case. The fire took hold on the external element of the building and spread quickly on outside of the building where sprinklers wouldnt have made a difference. It would have been too intense once it got into other floors. That said I would expect all high rises to be sprinklered going forward.

Anyway i attended a talk on the Dubai fires you alluded to in the thread. I seem to recall that there was some luck involved with the wind direction in it not being as serious as it could have been

 

[Raheem's On Fire]

They won't have a clue, because some of the occupied flats will have been sublet anyway, so the single 'resident' may have sublet to a family of 12, whilst he/she is safe.

Subletting of social housing is generally illegal, but that doesn't stop it.

That's out of order and a pretty big assumption to make there.

Just because the odd episode of "Can't Pay Take It Away" shows a sub letting case doesn't mean it's the case here at all.

You should be above lazy stereotyping in your "role"