Guitar Thread

Thoughts guys - quality difference between US and Mexican built Fenders.

Forget value appreciation / depreciation etc - pound for pound, how do they stack up?

If we under took a Pepsi challenge, would we all pm able to pick the American made by ear or is it just a facade?

@Bill Walker where's your head at on this one?
 
Ebay and it's not been purchased ;-)

Edit: how have you spotted it as a fake?
I suppose it could be a dodgy camera angles so I can't say for definite it's a fake but I'm suspicious. It's hard going from pics I'd have to take the control plate and truss rod cover off to have a look in there, examine the pots and truss rod cavity (Chinese never get that right) and I'd like to examine the fret ends to see if the binding covers them (it did in 2014)

Things that look a bit "off"

Grover tuners not in line (especially the G and A strings)
Grover tuners not correct shape
Crown market at 3rd fret looks crooked, not in line with fret.
12th fret crown marker I can't make out what that is
The headstock wings don't look in the right place
Gibson logo font looks a bit too thick
Never see the word "model" after the date on a Gibson
There is a lot of ink used on the date & serial stamp

Does it have the original case and case candy ?
 
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Thoughts guys - quality difference between US and Mexican built Fenders.

Forget value appreciation / depreciation etc - pound for pound, how do they stack up?

If we under took a Pepsi challenge, would we all pm able to pick the American made by ear or is it just a facade?

@Bill Walker where's your head at on this one?
I bought a Fender Nashville Telecaster about 16 years back. Its Mexican built. Cant tell you exactly about the 'pepsi challenge' but before I bought it I read plenty of opinions that certain mexican tele's are better build than american ones and this influenced my choice so maybe a bit of searching might answer your question. Its a lovely guitar
 
Thoughts guys - quality difference between US and Mexican built Fenders.

Forget value appreciation / depreciation etc - pound for pound, how do they stack up?

If we under took a Pepsi challenge, would we all pm able to pick the American made by ear or is it just a facade?

@Bill Walker where's your head at on this one?
In my limited experience. A modern guitar at the MIM price point will be well made, play well and sound great. The jump in price to an American made will never be justified by better quality / sound, not to say it isn't better it's just that it's so marginally different that it's hard to put any price on it let alone a big number. But what price do you put on the real authentic thing.

I own a mim tele and it's more than enough guitar for me.
 
Rear view of a genuine Gibson, this one has Gibson tuners. Notice the stamp is much fainter (no ink) and the word "model" is not there.


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I suppose it could be a dodgy camera angles so I can't say for definite it's a fake but I'm suspicious. It's hard going from pics I'd have to take the control plate and truss rod cover off to have a look in there, examine the pots and truss rod cavity (Chinese never get that right) and I'd like to examine the fret ends to see if the binding covers them (it did in 2014)
Things that look a bit "off"

Grover tuners not in line (especially the G and A strings)
Grover tuners not correct shape
Crown market at 3rd fret looks crooked, not in line with fret.
12th fret crown marker I can't make out what that is
The headstock wings don't look in the right place
Gibson logo font looks a bit too thick
Never see the word "model" after the date on a Gibson
There is a lot of ink used on the date & serial stamp

Does it have the original case and case candy ?
Great attention to detail mate.

 
I bought a Fender Nashville Telecaster about 16 years back. Its Mexican built. Cant tell you exactly about the 'pepsi challenge' but before I bought it I read plenty of opinions that certain mexican tele's are better build than american ones and this influenced my choice so maybe a bit of searching might answer your question. Its a lovely guitar
I've got a Mexican Tele and it's lovely.

As with anything I kind of think that some will sound / feel great (whether US or Mexican). They will all be different pending the year of manufacturing and spec.

I'm half tempted to buy one of each and sell the other one on (pending preference).

I just don't trust myself to get shut of one........... :-(
 
The two Strays in question - as with all our music threads, register your votes............ ;-)


 
Great attention to detail mate.

As I say I'd have to examine it and play it to convince myself it was a Gibson, it's hard from photos.
I guess I'd never buy any guitar of that value from ebay, there are tons of Chibsons out there. I bought a Chibson from Ali Express just before covid.
It looked very nice but really it was a pile of cheap junk. Didn't stay in tune, the bridge and tailpiece were not in the right place so 12th fret (halfway along the string) sounded out of tune, so it could never be correctly tuned.
The pickups were terrible when played loud at a gig. I had to change the nut as it was cut too low and do many adjustments to the truss rod.
The mahogany looked real but it was veneer. etc etc. You'd be better off buying an Epiphone for $400, yeah it's a cheap guitar but it will play okay and probably stay in tune depending on how much string bending you do.
 
The two Strays in question - as with all our music threads, register your votes............ ;-)


@Bill Walker any hint of a fake on these - engaged both sellers and looking to get to their best prices?

All other opinions welcome as usual folks.......
 
@Bill Walker any hint of a fake on these - engaged both sellers and looking to get to their best prices?

All other opinions welcome as usual folks.......
I don't see anything from the pics, they look genuine. Although I would question why the USA has no hard case as all US strats come with one, along with case candy.

American Special;
  • Weight: 3.8kg
  • Scale Length: 25.5"
  • Maple Neck + Fretboard
  • 22 jumbo frets with dot Inlays
  • Texas Special Pickups
  • Nut Width: 40mm
  • Bridge PU: 6.22K
  • Middle PU: 6.10K
  • Neck PU: 5.85K
  • Synchronised tremolo
  • 5 way Pickup Switch
  • 1 x Master Vol, 2 x Tone
  • Chrome hardware
  • Case: Tweed Case
Good output on the pick ups..but where's that tweed case ?

Regarding the MIM v USA question. I'd say it depends what you want your guitar for. All Fender products are of a high standard.
With a USA Fender you are paying more for a higher spec. So the wood, the body would likely be one piece on a US guitar as opposed to several bits glued together. (Not that there is much wrong with that).
The American is usually a little more refined in certain areas such as fretwork, finish and component selection. Though a little skilled time with a file can narrow that gap. And the pickup selection will be different. The real question is, is it worth the extra? And like most things, the answer is, it depends.
Do you want the extra fret (22 vs 21)? The micro tilt adjustment on the neck? The biflex truss rod, the v-mod pickups. Higher rated tuners and an top level bridge?. Lots of little refinements that add up between the two. Any one on it's own might not be worth it, but all of them together might sway you towards the American over the Mexican. Then there is the prestige !! :)

I'd say if you're using it for home use only then the MIM will do the job very well. If you're gonna be gigging on a regular basis then I'd go for the USA. The pickups are better at high volumes. USA Fenders are like an investment, you always get more back for them if you keep them a few years.
USA come with a hard Fender case, MIM come with a Gig bag.

I'd go for a used, well looked after USA (with case and candy) over a new MIM.
 
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I don't see anything from the pics, they look genuine. Although I would question why the USA has no hard case as all US strats come with one, along with case candy.

American Special;
  • Weight: 3.8kg
  • Scale Length: 25.5"
  • Maple Neck + Fretboard
  • 22 jumbo frets with dot Inlays
  • Texas Special Pickups
  • Nut Width: 40mm
  • Bridge PU: 6.22K
  • Middle PU: 6.10K
  • Neck PU: 5.85K
  • Synchronised tremolo
  • 5 way Pickup Switch
  • 1 x Master Vol, 2 x Tone
  • Chrome hardware
  • Case: Tweed Case
Good output on the pick ups..but where's that tweed case ?

Regarding the MIM v USA question. I'd say it depends what you want your guitar for. All Fender products are of a high standard.
With a USA Fender you are paying more for a higher spec. So the wood, the body would likely be one piece on a US guitar as opposed to several bits glued together. (Not that there is much wrong with that).
The American is usually a little more refined in certain areas such as fretwork, finish and component selection. Though a little skilled time with a file can narrow that gap. And the pickup selection will be different. The real question is, is it worth the extra? And like most things, the answer is, it depends.
Do you want the extra fret (22 vs 21)? The micro tilt adjustment on the neck? The biflex truss rod, the v-mod pickups. Higher rated tuners and an top level bridge?. Lots of little refinements that add up between the two. Any one on it's own might not be worth it, but all of them together might sway you towards the American over the Mexican. Then there is the prestige !! :)

I'd say if you're using it for home use only then the MIM will do the job very well. If you're gonna be gigging on a regular basis then I'd go for the USA. The pickups are better at high volumes. USA Fenders are like an investment, you always get more back for them if you keep them a few years.
USA come with a hard Fender case, MIM come with a Gig bag.

I'd go for a used, well looked after USA (with case and candy) over a new MIM.
Top write up that BW - cheers for taking the time.

That's pretty much why I sided with the Mexican (I also liked the colour) but unless I was trying both out at the same time, I wouldn't pick the difference.

Yes some of the spec is better but it's not like I'm playing Glasto is it?

If there is anything that I think can be bettered, then I can get a pro in to upgrade it.

You hit the nail on the head with the term 'prestige' - I was tying myself up in knots of owning a 'US' Fender which isn't what it should be about.

At the end of the day, they will both hold value and if for some reason I don't enjoy thr Mexican I will sell it on and roll the dice again.

Hopefully should be picking it up tomorrow - looking forward to it..............
 
Whilst it is driving me a little nuts as to whether I should have bought the black Strat - I am really enjoying the one that I bought.

Looks great as well............
 
Thoughts guys - quality difference between US and Mexican built Fenders.

Forget value appreciation / depreciation etc - pound for pound, how do they stack up?

If we under took a Pepsi challenge, would we all pm able to pick the American made by ear or is it just a facade?

@Bill Walker where's your head at on this one?
The MIM Fenders are made in Mexico by Mexicans whereas the US Fenders are made in the US by Mexicans.
 

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