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Gundogan
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MillionDollarDream
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They have their targets lined up and they aren't huge money replacements. Dortmund, like us have identified the players that need to move on so Tuchel can fully build his squad now in his image, not Klopp's.Just had a thought, could be a while before he is announced. Due to Dortmund being in the market for a replacement, they may be holding off for an announcement. Not rush either with his injury.
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They have their targets lined up and they aren't huge money replacements. Dortmund, like us have identified the players that need to move on so Tuchel can fully build his squad now in his image, not Klopp's.
Maybe we should forget Gundogan and just go after whoever they've identified to replace him. Cut out the middle man and save 3 years and £20m.
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Maybe we should forget Gundogan and just go after whoever they've identified to replace him. Cut out the middle man and save 3 years and £20m.
We'd probably end up waiting 3 years and taking the risk that the player we signed would never hit those heights. Let Dortmund take the risk, they've signed plenty of duds as well.
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Gundogan day?
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Maybe we should forget Gundogan and just go after whoever they've identified to replace him. Cut out the middle man and save 3 years and £20m.
That would be Julian Weigl and they aren't letting him go. At least not this year and he wouldn't be cheap. Don't worry Gundogan will be our Xavi.
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That would be Julien Weigl and they aren't letting him go. At least not this year and he wouldn't be cheap. Don't worry Gundogan will be our Xavi.
I was half joking but it concerns me that since Zabs and Kompany we haven't uncovered any gems at giveaway prices like clubs like Dortmund and Athletico seem to do with monotonous regularity. There's an argument that we don't need to take risks and the academy will soon be coming on stream and I take those points but it would be good to get the likes of Gundogan and Weigl before they become so "mainstream".
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I was half joking but it concerns me that since Zabs and Kompany we haven't uncovered any gems at giveaway prices like clubs like Dortmund and Athletico seem to do with monotonous regularity. There's an argument that we don't need to take risks and the academy will soon be coming on stream and I take those points but it would be good to get the likes of Gundogan and Weigl before they become so "mainstream".
or West Ham, or Leicester...
not many other teams seem too good at it though
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I was half joking but it concerns me that since Zabs and Kompany we haven't uncovered any gems at giveaway prices like clubs like Dortmund and Athletico seem to do with monotonous regularity. There's an argument that we don't need to take risks and the academy will soon be coming on stream and I take those points but it would be good to get the likes of Gundogan and Weigl before they become so "mainstream".
I hear you, but I think the days of us finding uncovered gems are over just because who we are as a club since the takeover. Since other teams know we have money the fee automatically goes up. Even look at the rags and Martial and how much he costed. Before that he was almost an unknown, but the price was still substantial. You can say it worked out for them now, but there are no guarantees a player would be worth the fee. Finding someone who isn't known is a risk and to me Dortmund and Atletico are more in the position to take a risk because they can say they aren't favorites to win their league.
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Disagree with the last part mate, they are still challenging for their domestic titles and need the players who are of the quality to get them their, regardless of whether they are favourites to win the league or not. And uncovered gems can be found as they are still proving. It's not just gems that represent risk, all transfers represent some level of risk, gundogan may very well not settle in, may not get to full match fitness due to injuries ect ectI hear you, but I think the days of us finding uncovered gems are over just because who we are as a club since the takeover. Since other teams know we have money the fee automatically goes up. Even look at the rags and Martial and how much he costed. Before that he was almost an unknown, but the price was still substantial. You can say it worked out for them now, but there are no guarantees a player would be worth the fee. Finding someone who isn't known is a risk and to me Dortmund and Atletico are more in the position to take a risk because they can say they aren't favorites to win their league.
I rate Fernandinho extremely highly, however, gundogan is superior to him in every department other than engine (when fit), make of that what you will..
Other than engine and all defensive aspects of the game.
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer
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Other than engine and all defensive aspects of the game.
You don't watch much footy do you chief, go on, admit it.....
Think it will happen from time to time. Adam Johnson and Boateng were both pretty close. Patrick Roberts may turn out good.I hear you, but I think the days of us finding uncovered gems are over just because who we are as a club since the takeover. Since other teams know we have money the fee automatically goes up. Even look at the rags and Martial and how much he costed. Before that he was almost an unknown, but the price was still substantial. You can say it worked out for them now, but there are no guarantees a player would be worth the fee. Finding someone who isn't known is a risk and to me Dortmund and Atletico are more in the position to take a risk because they can say they aren't favorites to win their league.
You don't watch much footy do you chief, go on, admit it.....
Hah, that's rich! You clearly don't if you think Gundogan is better defensively than Fernandinho.
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer
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Hah, that's rich! You clearly don't if you think Gundogan is better defensively than Fernandinho.
Let me guess, you're one of these ignaramouses who believes defensive duties requires a good, thumping tackle???? His positional game affords him the ability to press, thus cutting out any Otaesque slides, you follow?
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How is his injury record? I know he just had a surgery but is he injury prone?
Let me guess, you're one of these ignaramouses who believes defensive duties requires a good, thumping tackle???? His positional game affords him the ability to press, thus cutting out any Otaesque slides, you follow?
Not at all. There is a reason why when Gundogan was at his very best (3/4 seasons ago), he was sat next to Bender who did the majority of the defensive work, allowing Gundogan the time and space to play his natural game. I guess given his superior defensive qualities, he could have played the part Fernandinho did for so long when partnering Toure?
How is his injury record? I know he just had a surgery but is he injury prone?
Yes
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