Gustavo

[ManCitizens.]

1. Firstly, 'Versatility' doesn't always equate to 'better'. Garcia and John O'shea are 'versatile' but are both bobbins. Secondly, if you want to go down that route Gustavo can play as DM, CB and LB which gives him 3 positions, just like Rodwell, so that squashes that part of your argument.

2. Gustavo is a better tackler, protector and shielder of the back 4 than Rodwell. He just is. His passing ability out from the back and DM position are also better than Rodwell.

I'm not sure what 'athletic bursts' are. Gustavo admittedly isn't known for his 'shooting' but then again that particular skill doesn't feature much in Rodwell's role/game either, so to compare them in that category is pretty pointless.

3. Gustavo is only 25 and therefore is also 'still learning' to.

Gustavo is better than Rodwell.

Have you even seen Rodwell play?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXi9irrUqfs[/youtube] skip to 1.20.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VJota27Z-k[/youtube]

How many saves did Cech have to make when we beat them last season?

Rodwell and Gustavo are different players, it's like comparing Lucas to Gerrard. One does nothing but tackle and defend, whilst the other attacks and defends. Both are talented players.

that's why we could use Gustavo though, our defensive dedicated players are Garcia and Barry, which isn't that great (not sure how much defense Fernandinho will be asked to carry out but my guess is quite a bit).

I never disputed Gustavo's ability and qualities. I was just responding to the fool that thought him and Rodwell played in a similar role.

Rodwell doesn't shoot, haha.

 

[Blueband Brother]

It isn't about Rodwell.

Rodwell will get plenty games regardless.

Gustavo is better than Garcia, Barry, Milner and Razak. That's what it's about.

Are you genuinely saying you wouldn't rather see Gustavo in the squad than Razak and Garcia?

-- Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:14 pm --



What are these skills Gustavo lacks that Rodwell has?

Rodwell is more versatile for one. He can play as CB, midfield and very effective as a box to box player. Gustavo is not that versatile and so limited in what he can contribute.

As midfielder, Rodwell is stronger in tackling and athletic bursts, quicker, and have better shooting and passing technique and ability.

Rodwell is also still developing and is going to get even better.

1. Firstly, 'Versatility' doesn't always equate to 'better'. Garcia and John O'shea are 'versatile' but are both bobbins. Secondly, if you want to go down that route Gustavo can play as DM, CB and LB which gives him 3 positions, just like Rodwell, so that squashes that part of your argument.

2. Gustavo is a better tackler, protector and shielder of the back 4 than Rodwell. He just is. His passing ability out from the back and DM position are also better than Rodwell.

I'm not sure what 'athletic bursts' are. Gustavo admittedly isn't known for his 'shooting' but then again that particular skill doesn't feature much in Rodwell's role/game either, so to compare them in that category is pretty pointless.

3. Gustavo is only 25 and therefore is also 'still learning' to.

Gustavo is better than Rodwell.

I dont see Pellegrini or any manager for that matter contemplating playing Gustavo as a center back or a left back because he really does not have the skill set e.g strength and presence in the box etc to play in those positions. Perhaps he has played in those positions a few times but that does not qualify him as a versatile player.He is a holding midfielder and his capacity to play in other positions is not adequate enough. Micah Richards can play center forward as well but that does not mean he will be selected to play there because there are standards and Gustavo does not meet the standards in the other positions. Oshea is an average player but he will be more valuable than another average player that is not as adaptable and versatile as he is. But Rodwell and Gustavo are in the a different stratosphere to Oshea so your point does not bear any value as we are comparing players and as I said it is all about standards.

I have clearly talked about the superior tackling, passing and shooting technique of Rodwell and this is obvious to those that observe.Gustavo is conditioned and experienced as a holding midfielder and so his ability to screen and protect the back four may be better than Rodwell but guess what?his ability to screen the back four is also better than Yaya, or Schweinsteiger or Xavi but that does not mean he is a better player.

Gustavo is 25 so lets see if that means that he will learn and improve the other aspects of his game e.g, the ability to play in both boxes, the ability to dominate midfield and the ability to make runs into the box and impact chances and goals. I wouldn't count on it. He is good but not as good as Rodwell.

Rodwell is a better player and offers much more than Gustavo and you will realize this soon enough.

(Athletic bursts means powerful runs and drives with change of pace and Rodwell crushes Gustavo on that as well)

 

[Proelia]

In talks with wolfsburg

 

[Stoned Rose]

Rodwell is more versatile for one. He can play as CB, midfield and very effective as a box to box player. Gustavo is not that versatile and so limited in what he can contribute.

As midfielder, Rodwell is stronger in tackling and athletic bursts, quicker, and have better shooting and passing technique and ability.

Rodwell is also still developing and is going to get even better.

1. Firstly, 'Versatility' doesn't always equate to 'better'. Garcia and John O'shea are 'versatile' but are both bobbins. Secondly, if you want to go down that route Gustavo can play as DM, CB and LB which gives him 3 positions, just like Rodwell, so that squashes that part of your argument.

2. Gustavo is a better tackler, protector and shielder of the back 4 than Rodwell. He just is. His passing ability out from the back and DM position are also better than Rodwell.

I'm not sure what 'athletic bursts' are. Gustavo admittedly isn't known for his 'shooting' but then again that particular skill doesn't feature much in Rodwell's role/game either, so to compare them in that category is pretty pointless.

3. Gustavo is only 25 and therefore is also 'still learning' to.

Gustavo is better than Rodwell.

I dont see Pellegrini or any manager for that matter contemplating playing Gustavo as a center back or a left back because he really does not have the skill set e.g strength and presence in the box etc to play in those positions. Perhaps he has played in those positions a few times but that does not qualify him as a versatile player.

Started as a left back and has played several times as a CB for Hoffenheim and Bayern. To play as a CB for Bayern but 'not have the skill set' to do so seems a little unbelievable.

Out of interest - how many times would a player need to play in a specific posiition other than their usual one for you to consider them versatile?

He is a holding midfielder and his capacity to play in other positions is not adequate enough. Micah Richards can play center forward as well but that does not mean he will be selected to play there because there are standards and Gustavo does not meet the standards in the other positions.

You were doing ok until that Micah Richards line.

Oshea is an average player but he will be more valuable than another average player that is not as adaptable and versatile as he is. But Rodwell and Gustavo are in the a different stratosphere to Oshea so your point does not bear any value as we are comparing players and as I said it is all about standards.

Is it though? your original ramble disn't mention 'standards', just 'versatality'. Perhaps you could be clearer in future.

I have clearly talked about the superior tackling, passing and shooting technique of Rodwell and this is obvious to those that observe.

Yes you certainly have. But no it isn't 'obvious to 'those who observe'. There are others on this post alone suggesting you are wrong. Have a look.


Gustavo is conditioned and experienced as a holding midfielder and so his ability to screen and protect the back four may be better than Rodwell but guess what?his ability to screen the back four is also better than Yaya, or Schweinsteiger or Xavi but that does not mean he is a better player.

Interestingly you choose 3 players to assist your point that are clearly much better in several other areas of football than both Rodwell and Garcia. Strange how your 'standards' argument no longer applies.

Gustavo is 25 so lets see if that means that he will learn and improve the other aspects of his game e.g, the ability to play in both boxes, the ability to dominate midfield and the ability to make runs into the box and impact chances and goals. I wouldn't count on it. He is good but not as good as Rodwell.

25 is still young. Zabaleta for example is still improving at 28. If you want to throw around the 'dominating midfield' concept, then please do show me a single game for us in which Rodwell has 'dominated midfield'.

Rodwell is a better player and offers much more than Gustavo and you will realize this soon enough.

Gustavo is currently better than Rodwell.

(Athletic bursts means powerful runs and drives with change of pace and Rodwell crushes Gustavo on that as well)

Rodwell can run fast. So can Scott Sinclair. Big woop.

 

[Blueband Brother]

1. Firstly, 'Versatility' doesn't always equate to 'better'. Garcia and John O'shea are 'versatile' but are both bobbins. Secondly, if you want to go down that route Gustavo can play as DM, CB and LB which gives him 3 positions, just like Rodwell, so that squashes that part of your argument.

2. Gustavo is a better tackler, protector and shielder of the back 4 than Rodwell. He just is. His passing ability out from the back and DM position are also better than Rodwell.

I'm not sure what 'athletic bursts' are. Gustavo admittedly isn't known for his 'shooting' but then again that particular skill doesn't feature much in Rodwell's role/game either, so to compare them in that category is pretty pointless.

3. Gustavo is only 25 and therefore is also 'still learning' to.

Gustavo is better than Rodwell.

I dont see Pellegrini or any manager for that matter contemplating playing Gustavo as a center back or a left back because he really does not have the skill set e.g strength and presence in the box etc to play in those positions. Perhaps he has played in those positions a few times but that does not qualify him as a versatile player.

Started as a left back and has played several times as a CB for Hoffenheim and Bayern. To play as a CB for Bayern but 'not have the skill set' to do so seems a little unbelievable.

Out of interest - how many times would a player need to play in a specific posiition other than their usual one for you to consider them versatile?

He is a holding midfielder and his capacity to play in other positions is not adequate enough. Micah Richards can play center forward as well but that does not mean he will be selected to play there because there are standards and Gustavo does not meet the standards in the other positions.

You were doing ok until that Micah Richards line.

Oshea is an average player but he will be more valuable than another average player that is not as adaptable and versatile as he is. But Rodwell and Gustavo are in the a different stratosphere to Oshea so your point does not bear any value as we are comparing players and as I said it is all about standards.

Is it though? your original ramble disn't mention 'standards', just 'versatality'. Perhaps you could be clearer in future.

I have clearly talked about the superior tackling, passing and shooting technique of Rodwell and this is obvious to those that observe.

Yes you certainly have. But no it isn't 'obvious to 'those who observe'. There are others on this post alone suggesting you are wrong. Have a look.


Gustavo is conditioned and experienced as a holding midfielder and so his ability to screen and protect the back four may be better than Rodwell but guess what?his ability to screen the back four is also better than Yaya, or Schweinsteiger or Xavi but that does not mean he is a better player.

Interestingly you choose 3 players to assist your point that are clearly much better in several other areas of football than both Rodwell and Garcia. Strange how your 'standards' argument no longer applies.

Gustavo is 25 so lets see if that means that he will learn and improve the other aspects of his game e.g, the ability to play in both boxes, the ability to dominate midfield and the ability to make runs into the box and impact chances and goals. I wouldn't count on it. He is good but not as good as Rodwell.

25 is still young. Zabaleta for example is still improving at 28. If you want to throw around the 'dominating midfield' concept, then please do show me a single game for us in which Rodwell has 'dominated midfield'.

Rodwell is a better player and offers much more than Gustavo and you will realize this soon enough.

Gustavo is currently better than Rodwell.

(Athletic bursts means powerful runs and drives with change of pace and Rodwell crushes Gustavo on that as well)

Rodwell can run fast. So can Scott Sinclair. Big woop.

Lol this is getting funny now.
You clearly did not understand most of the points I was making but the bottom line however is that Rodwell is better than Gustavo. If you have not seen games where Rodwell was majorly involved and dominated for City e.g against Chelsea then you clearly do not know much about Rodwell.

 

[oneslice]

Found this on youtube
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBu0E2UodUg[/youtube]

 

[Stoned Rose]

I dont see Pellegrini or any manager for that matter contemplating playing Gustavo as a center back or a left back because he really does not have the skill set e.g strength and presence in the box etc to play in those positions. Perhaps he has played in those positions a few times but that does not qualify him as a versatile player.

Started as a left back and has played several times as a CB for Hoffenheim and Bayern. To play as a CB for Bayern but 'not have the skill set' to do so seems a little unbelievable.

Out of interest - how many times would a player need to play in a specific posiition other than their usual one for you to consider them versatile?

He is a holding midfielder and his capacity to play in other positions is not adequate enough. Micah Richards can play center forward as well but that does not mean he will be selected to play there because there are standards and Gustavo does not meet the standards in the other positions.

You were doing ok until that Micah Richards line.

Oshea is an average player but he will be more valuable than another average player that is not as adaptable and versatile as he is. But Rodwell and Gustavo are in the a different stratosphere to Oshea so your point does not bear any value as we are comparing players and as I said it is all about standards.

Is it though? your original ramble disn't mention 'standards', just 'versatality'. Perhaps you could be clearer in future.

I have clearly talked about the superior tackling, passing and shooting technique of Rodwell and this is obvious to those that observe.

Yes you certainly have. But no it isn't 'obvious to 'those who observe'. There are others on this post alone suggesting you are wrong. Have a look.


Gustavo is conditioned and experienced as a holding midfielder and so his ability to screen and protect the back four may be better than Rodwell but guess what?his ability to screen the back four is also better than Yaya, or Schweinsteiger or Xavi but that does not mean he is a better player.

Interestingly you choose 3 players to assist your point that are clearly much better in several other areas of football than both Rodwell and Garcia. Strange how your 'standards' argument no longer applies.

Gustavo is 25 so lets see if that means that he will learn and improve the other aspects of his game e.g, the ability to play in both boxes, the ability to dominate midfield and the ability to make runs into the box and impact chances and goals. I wouldn't count on it. He is good but not as good as Rodwell.

25 is still young. Zabaleta for example is still improving at 28. If you want to throw around the 'dominating midfield' concept, then please do show me a single game for us in which Rodwell has 'dominated midfield'.

Rodwell is a better player and offers much more than Gustavo and you will realize this soon enough.

Gustavo is currently better than Rodwell.

(Athletic bursts means powerful runs and drives with change of pace and Rodwell crushes Gustavo on that as well)

Rodwell can run fast. So can Scott Sinclair. Big woop.

Lol this is getting funny now.
You clearly did not understand most of the points I was making but the bottom line however is that Rodwell is better than Gustavo. If you have not seen games where Rodwell was majorly involved and dominated for City e.g against Chelsea then you clearly do not know much about Rodwell.

It isn't 'getting funny' it's been funny since you claimed Jack Rodwell is better than Gustavo. It got even funnier when you blindly continued with it despite having no evidence other than a clip of a meaningless last game of season kickabout v Norwich to really base it on.

Do you remember Rodwell's complete and utter arseholing at the hands of Dortmund? He was up against real quality players and got shown up.

Have a little look at the Gustavo video posted by Oneslice and come back to me if you can think of anything to say that wont embarrass you further.

 

[ElMatador]

He would be a superb addition at a reasonable price.

 

[Blueband Brother]

Rodwell can run fast. So can Scott Sinclair. Big woop.

Lol this is getting funny now.
You clearly did not understand most of the points I was making but the bottom line however is that Rodwell is better than Gustavo. If you have not seen games where Rodwell was majorly involved and dominated for City e.g against Chelsea then you clearly do not know much about Rodwell.

It isn't 'getting funny' it's been funny since you claimed Jack Rodwell is better than Gustavo. It got even funnier when you blindly continued with it despite having no evidence other than a clip of a meaningless last game of season kickabout v Norwich to really base it on.

Do you remember Rodwell's complete and utter arseholing at the hands of Dortmund? He was up against real quality players and got shown up.

Have a little look at the Gustavo video posted by Oneslice and come back to me if you can think of anything to say that wont embarrass you further.

What clip am I basing anything on? who mentioned a clip? and when did I talk about Norwich? Anyway, as I said you obviously don't get it but you should realize eventually when Rodwell starts to play more regularly but based on what I have seen I wont be surprised if you continue with your insular and fake assertion.

Rodwell is better than Gustavo .......... deal with it!!

 

[MojoRisin]

Chelsea to bid £15m for Luiz Gustavo

Chelsea are preparing to offer Bayern Munich £15 million for midfielder Luiz Gustavo. Jose Mourinho is keen to bring in a holding midfielder as he has doubts over John Obi Mikel.

Source: The People