Guvnors

[blueinsa]

If you dont like a book...dont buy it.......
If you dont like porn....dont watch it......
If you hate Kebabs......dont eat them.......
The worst thing you can to is judge somebody who likes something you do not. You are bound to have tunnel vision. Thats the whole problem with the world....too many judges.

I love kebabs

And i love porn!

 

[bluemanc]

The sooner the stands are full of Justins with Jester hats the better for some, but it will be the end for many. More and more capuccino supping Guardian reading bollocks every day on this site. Manchester is a rough industrial city with huge social deprevation...if you expect every fan to be educated sensible people you are burying you head in the sand.

Class warfare is bollocks. Take it from me, there is no dignity in being poor, there is no relief in it, there is no glory, there is only misery and starvation.

I don't expect every fan to be educated and sensible. I expect every fan to show basic human decency and compassion. If they cannot achieve this, then I challenge exactly what they are bringing to the gene pool.

MP's are educated but show no human decency or compassion......sorry! just verbal doodling.

 

[mancityvstoke]

Guess who was at The Fernhurst at the end of the Blackburn game lol

 

[Dakovich]

Guess who was at The Fernhurst at the end of the Blackburn game lol

MF was.....once a Blue always a Blue!!

 

[snip]

Saw him in there before the game ,he had a shirt on with The Guvnor on the back!
Couldnt believe grown men asking for their picture with him....

 

[Skip Donoghue]

bloody ell, how old are you mate? no one was asking what you think of football violence and whether or not you think there are ''spotty herberts'' (your language is dreadful) supporting city.

having read the book myself, i found it to be a great read. It allowed me to imagine how it would of felt like as not only a home fan, but an away fan in the past coupe of decades. I'm sorry, but to call them all 'dimwits' is just daft, If people seek safety in numbers and have a laugh doing it, calling them names doesn't do anything else than antagonise. And what has wars got to so with anything...bloody, dramaticaly exagerated thoughts there.

Yes, can't say I'm surprised.

I'm 41. Old enough to remember matches well enough in the 80's and they weren't the nirvana your sacred book makes them out to be. Many times it was shit route one football played in a half empty stadium where the ground was so empty they gave the whole of the Platt Lane to about 200 away fans to run around in. So our wonderful hooligan element often used to turn on their own at the slightest excuse.

Having a laugh? Safety in numbers? Acting like a cowardly no mark more like. Like I said if you like fighting go and join the army while the goings good. Nothing dramatic about that, just a simple fact.

I'll work on my language, thanks for the tip and thanks for setting a higher standard for me to aspire to.

well said no point in trying to explain to young numpties what it was like "safety in numbers" that said it all for me, hooligans are wankers full stop and some think they are hard but as my old man used to say "there is always someone harder" and the majority are just sheep half the stories you hear are exagerated to say the least

 

[Skip Donoghue]

Those books never tell the truth about what really did happen.

They always wanna pretend, that it was always mano a mano fighting. they never tell the stories of the many cowardly attacks on women and children.

I am so glad that this is a thing of the past, these jokers almost killed football, if people wanna read fairy tales, then fair enough, just dont pretend it has anything to do with reality.

totally agree i have seen women have hot coffee thrown on them by so called tuff guys wankers in my opinion in the north stand at main road, when i was a kid
and a dad with his son given a crack for being in the wrong end these guys were real tuff nuts hey

 

[Skip Donoghue]

Without multi quoting everyone I just want to clarify my view on a couple of things. I've bought one book on the subject -SoulCrew about Cardiff fans. I mistakenly thought it would have made reference to soul music as well as football so it caught my eye. It was disappointing to say the least.
I borrowed the Guvnors and thought it was mildly interesting with a pinch of salt but I'm glad I didn't pay for it. Green St, Football factory etc are all just shit on so many levels. They don't offend me, they amuse me if anything.
As for safety in numbers- I wouldn't want to see City fans scuttling about like scared rabbits and if you're attacked as a group then you've every right to defend yourself. But there's a big difference between that and being part of an organised firm.
If only they did keep it amongst themselves as they always profess in these books then that would have a sort of misplaced noble acceptability to it.

As for what I saw, I saw a mate who admittantly used to stand out in a crowd being big and daft and vocal get asked where he was from on the Kippax top corner circa 84. He was with his girlfriend. He told them he was from Chapel and he was right hooked which almost knocked him out and his bird was devastated. They thought he meant Heaton Chapel and that warranted the attack apparently, They were blues and they new he was a blue.
Another time one of usual group made a daft harmless remark about one of the casuals in a deerstalker. He went fookin mental and went to the bottom of the tunnel and before long there was a growing group and we were all being pointed out for a good kicking. Bearing in mind we were only 16 years old we shit it. All over one remark. We were playing Wolves that day and won 4-0 if memory serves me right, when the final goal went in we got out sharpish in different directions.
Later that year I was at a match and was beckoned over by three casuals. When I got to them one of them smacked me in the kite and said it was for eyeballing his mate. I hadn't at all. It was because I had a mod parka on at the time as was my want as a teenager and casuals had a downer on mods in Manchester in the mid eighties.
Finally, on the way back from Sheff Utd on the train we had a mate with us who had got into the hooligan thing in a big way and there was someone who was higher up the tree than him
accused him of battering him while he was pissed in town at some point. The lad was pleading his innocence and genuinely shitting himself at the promised reprisals. I just thought, I'm glad I'm not involved in all that shit.
That's what I witnessed, need I go on? Not to mention stories relayed from mates of women and children getting caught up and hurt in it all. I started playing Football on Saturdays instead because it frankly became a dire insidious experience most of the time.
I'm not getting my knickers in a twist about it, that's the way it was then, it's part of our past and that's where it belongs.
There's other City sites that revel in that nonsense but don't expect it to go unchallenged on here because there's plenty of people who were there, some who even took part who don't want it back.

i might be able to shed a bit of light on your mate getting a crack because someone thought he was from heaton chapel as heaton chapel which is in stockport borders levenshulme there was always gang fights between sections of levenshulme and heaton chapel and alot of the leve boys were city hooligans at that time this could be why your mate got a crack as these gang fights could be brutal and it did not matter which football team you supported it had been going on from 60s-90s it has know since calmed down and does not happen anymore probably died with the death of football hoolinganism
so i think this could well be the reason for the attack

 

[whp.blue]

If you dont like a book...dont buy it.......
If you dont like porn....dont watch it......
If you hate Kebabs......dont eat them.......
The worst thing you can to is judge somebody who likes something you do not. You are bound to have tunnel vision. Thats the whole problem with the world....too many judges.

SPOT ON

also funny how the internet has given rise to people who can sit behind their computers and call other people wankers and slag them off wothout ever having to come into the open.

football holiganism is and was a part of football but here is not really the place to stamp it out.
easy really the next time someone smokes,swears acts drunk of sings a muncih song next to at the ground just pull them up and have this debate with them. if you are a woman and are too scared just get your fella to do it for you.

nothing the hoolies and unsavory element have ever done is as cowardly as the keyboard warriors on here.

 

[felixbg]

Saw him in there before the game ,he had a shirt on with The Guvnor on the back!
Couldnt believe grown men asking for their picture with him....[/quote]




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