Harry Kane

[kdbrise]

Is the 47m theyve just spent come out of the goverment loan?

That would be Arsenal for their Ben White fee

 

[Coatigan]

Ric's already vouched for you. But I don't know what you want me to say? You're on a transfer forum where information is constantly passed and the information that you've posted in this forum is about 50/50. We're not in the loop on private conversations, we can only go off what you posted on the forum. How else could we judge?

I have no idea who the poster is and what so called tier of itk-ness they are. Nor do i
I either believe or dispute their claim. I do find the whole reaction to it thing very interesting though.

If his 'record' is indeed 50/50, is that not a lot more or at least in line with others. I just find it strange, that posters would rush to discredit one claim, presumably made in good faith. Particularly the same posters that would argue with others over similar claims by other itks, if they happen to be what they want to hear or even vague enough to be interpreted as that. Feels selective. I might be missing a fair bit of background perhaps.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

Surely it does not matter what City or Pep or you or Charlie Kane think Kane is worth. What matters is what Levy thinks he is worth.

And it is not clear that, despite what you lot say, that Levy is a willing seller. In the press he clearly says he is not.

I have doubts that this deal can go through. The differences seem massive.

What really matters is how much your debt is. This new stadium and the debt you owe has been brought into sharper focus by Covid. Unfortunately timed yes.

I think you need to sell Kane. More importantly I think the banks will want you to sell Kane.

 

[Coatigan]

Kane may sulk, but he wont sulk after the window closes, what benifit would it be for him? Surely a City fan would prefer A god like Messi?

Typically, would agree. With Kane, I think it would be a different kind of sulk.

Mahrez sulked, went on strike, got fined, then stayed another season as a professional. So did Ronaldo. Tevez. Coutinho. Suarez. and many more.

They all got their moves though, even if a year later than they wanted. With Kane, I don't think that's an option. Next year, his chance of the move he wants will be far less, so he can't just kick up a little bit of a fuss, sulk for a couple weeks, then if it doesn't work knuckle down for another year. He'd have to fully u-turn. Which he might. But the way he has started and how early suggests it will be win or bust for him. And funnily enough, for City too seemingly.

edit. to answer your question, I'd MUCH rather have Messi myself. Money aside even. But I think it has now got too far and it will and should be Kane.

 

[Coatigan]

With Grealish getting number 10,
Kane will get 9, meaning Jesus will be shipped out. That is my guess

Do you want that?

I ask because I've seen a few giddy at the thought of Kane hving the no.9, even before Grealish was announced as no.10.

I find that fucking bizarre. That we woyld shit so readily on our own current no.9, so another club's player could get his number just because it happens to be the same number he wears for England. Weird.

 

[Nellies left peg]

Typically, would agree. With Kane, I think it would be a different kind of sulk.

Mahrez sulked, went on strike, got fined, then stayed another season as a professional. So did Ronaldo. Tevez. Coutinho. Suarez. and many more.

They all got their moves though, even if a year later than they wanted. With Kane, I don't think that's an option. Next year, his chance of the move he wants will be far less, so he can't just kick up a little bit of a fuss, sulk for a couple weeks, then if it doesn't work knuckle down for another year. He'd have to fully u-turn. Which he might. But the way he has started and how early suggests it will be win or bust for him. And funnily enough, for City too seemingly.

edit. to answer your question, I'd MUCH rather have Messi myself. Money aside even. But I think it has now got too far and it will and should be Kane.

Messi will be delighted with interest from PSG as he can stick to his 6 hard league games a season and save himself for the CL. I am very disappointed in his lack of courage to play in a competitive league in another country. So if Haaland is a no then Kane would be next option. Never thought I'd say it but fair fucks to Ronaldo for plying his trade in different countries and still playing to an exceptional level

 

[JPBB]

What really matters is how much your debt is. This new stadium and the debt you owe has been brought into sharper focus by Covid. Unfortunately timed yes.

I think you need to sell Kane. More importantly I think the banks will want you to sell Kane.

maybe. I don’t think Spurs are at the level of crisis that the banks will intervene. But banks are banks and however shabby you think levy of Spurs are, they nothing compared to the disgusting behaviour a bank is capable of

 

[City14]

Do you want that?

I ask because I've seen a few giddy at the thought of Kane hving the no.9, even before Grealish was announced as no.10.

I find that fucking bizarre. That we woyld shit so readily on our own current no.9, so another club's player could get his number just because it happens to be the same number he wears for England. Weird.

I don’t I would rather we still keep 2 out and out strikers. Kane doesn’t strike as the type to insist on numbers. But I have a feeling if we do offload to make room in the squad, it will be either Jesus or Bernardo.

 

[Coatigan]

I watched the interview. It was as clear as day that the £100m figure was just Kane putting down a marker.

"I mean, he might want to sell me! 'He might be thinking, 'If I could get £100 million for you, then why not?' Do you know what I mean? I'm not going to be worth that for the next two or three years."

It's Harry chancing his arm; trying to set the agenda. Not even the slightest suggestion that it was an actual figure agreed between them.

Why 100m though. Why not set his marker at 80m. Or 90m. Or be extra modest on tv and go 60m. Why mention it at all?

It was deliberate. It wasn't accidental, meaningless, or random.

 

[waspish]

Has Levy paid of what spurs owe to the HMRC yet? Isn’t it 96m

 

[Coatigan]

Spurs are well within their rights not to sell him. It's a dick move if there was some kind of good faith agreement but technically a contract's a contract.

The problem for us is that we have no clue what that agreement was, and what's been reneged.

Maybe Levy has changed his mind and said he won't sell him (although there's enough evidence to say that's not the case)
Maybe he's changed his mind and demanded too great a fee (too great from City/Kane's perspective)
Maybe he's changed his mind and told Kane to wait longer than he would have liked.
Maybe he's not gone back on his word, and Kane is the one misbehaving here.
Maybe they've both simultaneously screwed each other.
Maybe there's less in this than we think. Maybe there's more.

We don't know. I understand it's a pretty boring and obvious statement, but we're all so in the dark it's just too difficult to know who is or isn't in the wrong here.

Does it matter? You are right, we don't know. Many had gentleman's agreements with their bosses they'd get pay rises. Then covid happened. Some may kick up a fuss, some may be happy to have kept their jobs. Depends on the circumstances, and the person.

I don't think it is that much of a crucial arguement in this. Kane wants a move, the club he wants to move to is willing to offer Spurs a significant fee. Gentleman's agreement or not, he is drawn into pushing for it because he wants it. Gives him more of a public display, whether or not it is true, and he will use that.

 

[Plays By Sense Of Smell]

Imho, we are still heavily interested in Harry Kane - for all the reasons we know (our needs, adding extra clinicality, etc).
But based on what we saw last year (having a plan B and smashing 22 games with no striker) we are prepared to do it on our terms - what we see as our value point.

We can thus be confident sticking to own firm 'walk away' point - also knowing that not paying what Levy wants is a strong strategic move in itself - it not only unsettles a potential rival (not so sure about that bit), but also sends out a message that it's not suddenly open season on our coffers each time. If we pay a large amount, it's only because we believe it's worth it.

 

[Coatigan]

A player, under contract, there is no reason not to return to the club, even Berbatov returned and trained, he may have refused to play but at least he had the balls to return.

Agree. Don't like seeing it either.

But you have to admit, does in some ways set out his stall and suggest how far he is prepared to go, quite early on.

Plenty of time to backtrack as well, and apologise and all that if it comes to that, obviously.

 

[kdbrise]

From a legal standpoint you are correct but you are totally ignoring all the other aspects of job satisfaction.

it’s pretty obvious that Kane didn’t sign a new deal on the promise of being a top 8 side. He would have bought into the vision that Spurs can compete for major honours.

Kane will feel that he has done everything in his power to make that vision a reality and he has been let down by the club.

The fact is that Spurs are not contenders for any major trophy and they only have themselves to blame for their best player wanting to leave the club.

Having to play in grounds like these in the conference league this season is enough motivation for him to push for a move if you ask me

 

[Bill the Blue]

It's all a bit of a myth painting Levy as some iron fisted negotiator, squeezing every last penny out of buying clubs whilst buying the best centre back in Italy for what amounts to peanuts in today's market..

Us
rags
chelski
dippers
Leicester
tarquins
Villa, Everton, spuds

That's where they are, Europe League botherers at best..

The captain of England, sloshing about in Albania and Turkmenistan, plying his trade whilst spuds expand their cheese room into their, never to be used, trophy cubby hole.

It matters not one jot that Levy as refinanced the huge debt spuds have to a more favourable number, arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic springs to mind..

This is a club under Levy's watch who furloughed staff, despite having billionaire owners..

If Kane isn't sold this window, his value will be well under the 9 figure sums being currently banded about next time around.

I know, let's keep him here under duress and watch his value half whilst we are up to our eyes in debt..!

Levy, astute business man my arse..

They are a selling club, always have been..

That's why they've won the square root of fcuk all..

Just like the tarquins with their shiny new stadium, sold a dream by that bitter **** Wenger and their board about how they will be able to complete with the world's best once they get bedded in there..

I see they finished 8th last season..

Spuds are bang on course to match their neighbours achievements..

Best stadium in the world and their best player wants out, pronto., says everything you need to know about them really.!

 

[ONTHERUNWITHTHAKSIN]

Hope Harry is twitching even more following the Messi news, even though I don’t think we are in for Messi.

Levy as the chance to make some top money and the greedy bastard might just now think we have another option if he doesn't lower his own valuation

Going to be interesting how this now pans out

 

[nmc]

Just a reminder to Spuds. The reason why Coutinho went for a boatload of Neymoney was because Barcelona were daft enough to believe he was worth that much and because they wanted a statement signing after PSG paid a stupid amount to sign Neymar. It doesn't mean Kane will also be worth that much.

Don’t discount the strategy deployed at Anfield to use the giddy pro Dipper press to talk Coutinho up to “World Class” levels. He was never that good- regularly went missing in games but a few set pieces caught the eye. The press were used mercilessly by Klopp et al to facilitate that transfer… and as you say gullible, desperate Barca fell for it…

 

[Vester]

A player, under contract, there is no reason not to return to the club, even Berbatov returned and trained, he may have refused to play but at least he had the balls to return.

There is one reason, his agreement with Levy that he would be sold and therefore not play with Spurs this season. Since he has been promised he wont need to stay, why would he have to turn up for training? Why would Spurs even want him to train with the team?

 

[nmc]

In that interview with Gary Neville, Kane suggested that the asking price might, by way of example, be £100m. That was just him optimistically trying to set the agenda. If Levy had actually said that the agreed asking price was £100m, then Harry would have had no qualms about saying exactly that. But there’s no way that a savvy negotiator like Levy would ever put a figure on it.

Im not sure I buy into this narrative of Levy being some great negotiator - he’s a one dimensional hard man - there’s a bit more to negotiating than just saying no and being a twat. He’s in serious danger of once again over playing his hand, Kane doesn’t get his move (which he’s been promised) - so he’s hardly going to be pulling up trees, Spurs financial predicament declines (whatever the media narrative Spurs are in a finacial hole and need £100m to repay short term debt) and the footballing world is once again reminded that Spurs is a club to avoid if a player wants to progress his career beyond mid table obscurity. in Spurs present mid table position Levy would do well to look at Dortmund’s modus operand. Levy would do well to remember that Spurs are presently more Rayo Vallecano than Real Madrid.

 

[Keeper!]

It's all a bit of a myth painting Levy as some iron fisted negotiator, squeezing every last penny out of buying clubs whilst buying the best centre back in Italy for what amounts to peanuts in today's market..

Us
rags
chelski
dippers
Leicester
tarquins
Villa, Everton, spuds

That's where they are, Europe League botherers at best..

The captain of England, sloshing about in Albania and Turkmenistan, plying his trade whilst spuds expand their cheese room into their, never to be used, trophy cubby hole.

It matters not one jot that Levy as refinanced the huge debt spuds have to a more favourable number, arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic springs to mind..

This is a club under Levy's watch who furloughed staff, despite having billionaire owners..

If Kane isn't sold this window, his value will be well under the 9 figure sums being currently banded about next time around.

I know, let's keep him here under duress and watch his value half whilst we are up to our eyes in debt..!

Levy, astute business man my arse..

They are a selling club, always have been..

That's why they've won the square root of fcuk all..

Just like the tarquins with their shiny new stadium, sold a dream by that bitter **** Wenger and their board about how they will be able to complete with the world's best once they get bedded in there..

I see they finished 8th last season..

Spuds are bang on course to match their neighbours achievements..

Best stadium in the world and their best player wants out, pronto., says everything you need to know about them really.!

Top players don't give a sh1t what stadium they are playing in, they would play on Hough End if the money was good and the trophies were arriving.