Have many of our “fans” become entitled?

Norbert D said:
100%. For the last fifteen years we as supporters have been forced defend our club at every turn, cheats, oil, sportswashing blah blah. Meanwhile the club tells us to behave and not get too angry when scousers throw pots full of coins and piss at us. The club have taken on the mantle of being a big club so we will go along, but when we play dross for a year we won’t sit on our hands.
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A lot of us have been defending our Club for 50 years plus. It’s been a right of passage for most Blues.
 
Norbert D said:
100%. For the last fifteen years we as supporters have been forced defend our club at every turn, cheats, oil, sportswashing blah blah. Meanwhile the club tells us to behave and not get too angry when scousers throw pots full of coins and piss at us. The club have taken on the mantle of being a big club so we will go along, but when we play dross for a year we won’t sit on our hands.
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We won't. And when the club wants to take the piss with ticketing we will stand up. We won't forget the silence after Istanbul, we won't ignore the silence after Spurs. The club hold no regard for any fan what soever, unless you are spending big with them.
 
mexico1970 said:
The club have been awful towards fans these last 3 seasons, people don't tend to react well to a big fat corporate FUCK YOU very well.

Or should they just shut the fuck up?

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Nah, don't blame the club for fan entitlement, what you're talking about is a separate matter. Fans have been spoilt by success, they have forgotten what we were and where we've come from.
 
BillyShears said:
That's pretty much it in a nutshell. There's the 'modern football is shite' brigade and the 'we hate the Barca boys, the Arabs don't care it's just an investment to them' brigade. Old men yelling at the clouds.

There's some amazing posters on here though and some really genuinely interesting and insightful stuff too. You just have to know where to look, and more importantly which 'characters' to ignore.
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Including the 'characters' who continually tell people they don't know what they're talking about, or who sneer at people expressing a contrary opinion, or see them as reactionary halfwits.

We seem to be at each others throats these days unfortunately but I'm happy to give you great credit for setting up an excellent and successful podcast, one that people are prepared to pay for. I don't listen to football podcasts much these days but 93:20 was the stand-out, and set the standard to aspire to. It might well still be. You got the people together to make it good and the format is entertaining, opinionated and sometimes controversial.

But if some of the key people who made it so dropped out - Stefan & Howard say - and you didn't replace them or replaced them with blander or less knowledgeable contributors, or did fewer pods, you've effectively "watered down the chowder" (to use Dr Covey's example). If people then pointed out it wasn't as good as it used to be, and you told them to fuck off you'd lose subscribers, and that would be on you. You could make the case that Stefan & Howard would be difficult to replace in any circumstances but ultimately you'd be accountable for any drop in subscribers.

The football management at City, and the ownership team, got far too complacent after winning the treble and failed to strengthen effectively while we were at the top. It was entirely foreseeable that within a couple of years of that achievement a group of our most influential players would be getting older and less influential. Yet we failed to react, and Txiki even held his hands up and admitted that.

There has been a consistent deterioration in the relationship between the club and the fans the last few seasons, not least the club's refusal to support fans who made the trip to Istanbul. I believe you're living out of the UK these days so I assume you're not a regular match goer or ST holder. Were you at the CL final?

There was an in-depth tactical analysis on X this morning which showed how Pep's set up left us short at the back and exposed us to Brighton' counterattacks. Opposition managers are exposing him and he doesn't appear to have an effective response. We've got square pegs, like Rico Lewis and Nunes in round holes, despite having had 5 or 6 windows to get in a specialist right-back. Kyle Walker-Peters went to Palace on a free transfer. You could say he's not up to our standard but he's a decent, specialist right-back. Even if he didn't work out, he's on a free.

Yet we've signed players for big money whose lifestyle is incompatible with professional sport (Grealish) or who Pep simply didn't fancy once he saw them (insert list here). We've taken our eye off the ball both on and off the field, which mirrors what united did a decade ago, when they suddenly realised they weren't guaranteed top 4 after all and started panic buying. A lot of good it did them as well. They're struggling to get top half these days.

We may well be at the start of a rebuild that will see us back at the top, or at least competing strongly for titles, but that should have started 2 seasons ago. However it also be the case that we're at the start of a period where we're just part of the pack.

A manager of a club not that far from us was famous for saying "Trust the process" but his process was a failure, to our great delight. So you can sneer all you like, but you're being very stupid if you can't see that there are major issues around, or very valid criticisms of, our current performance or roadmap.
 
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City have set a new standard and when they fall short of it, people are going to be disappointed. personally I'm more annoyed by the complacent fans, the 'happy with what we've got fans'. The ones who secretly wanted to get relegated to league 2 by 115 so they can get their little city back.

I'm sorry city are a top club now and coming 3rd is failure. It might be unavoidable failure, it might be understandable failure but its failure. And if a fan doesn't like hearing that, its their problem.
 
Moss Side's Finest said:
Nah, don't blame the club for fan entitlement, what you're talking about is a separate matter. Fans have been spoilt by success, they have forgotten what we were and where we've come from.
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As others have probably said we have three sections of fans now. We have the older fan who supported us at Maine Road and went through the dark times. We have the youngsters brought up on nothing but success. Then we have the newly acquired tourist and online fans who were attracted to us because of our recent success.
Entitled is a subjective word. I would guess every fan going to a game anywhere in the world feels entitled to expect effort from their team, a decent game and hopefully success. Expectations will be lowered or raised given the wealth of each team and consequently the standard of players they can employ. We are now dining at the very top table so obviously our expectations will be set at a higher level. In some ways that of course means we probably do feel entitled to more success than we did in the past.
As an older fan who went through all the dark times our recent success has been beyond my wildest dreams. Looking back I do feel slightly cheated for the barren 35 years I had to endure. A club of our size and support should have at least been capable of picking up the odd cup here and there in that time. Anyway I'm digressing slightly.
I would replace the word entitled with expectation. I expect us to be challenging for all the major titles these days. We are one of the richest clubs in the world and recently won the treble. Obviously such achievements every season aren't sustainable which is why it's only ever been done twice, but we should be right up there challenging. Since the takeover on the field we have generally been exemplary, that's why I think it has surprised a lot of fans we seem to have taken our eye off the ball recently. As a result we now have a major rebuild, as long proven world class players are being replaced with promising talent who may or may not take us back to the levels we were at.
In summary I think the level we are now at we do feel entitled to maintain them and I think the fans of Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and yes even the rags would probably say the same.
 
There is entitlement... and there is entitlement to ask questions. When we have let world class players like De Bruyne, Alvarez and Grealish go, are feeding our rivals with academy products who go on to thrive elsewhere, buying players who are not quite there, and watching all our rivals make record-breaking buys in every transfer window that passes - while we are falsely labelled as the big spenders - I think we are entitled to wonder where it's all leading. The best explanation I've seen is that we are saving the pennies and the decisions for the manager after Pep...but I can't blame anyone for being nervous.
 
Moss Side's Finest said:
Nah, don't blame the club for fan entitlement, what you're talking about is a separate matter. Fans have been spoilt by success, they have forgotten what we were and where we've come from.
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Were the club not spoiled by our support when we were getting spanked at home by the likes of wimbledon, Stockport and many more? But we kept going week after week, it's the club who now seem entitled and have forgotten tje real fans, they set tje standards high, and we have had some great football and won the lot, but I think some of is were due that for the dross we witnessed under swales, so I think we are allowed to moan now and again,it's not being entitled, it's pure frustration
 
My racist associate who is 10 years older than me thinks Lewis, Nunes, Nico, Doku and Savinho are the 5 worst players ever to play for City. If we aren't 3 goals up within the 1st 15 minutes I generally get a text along the lines of this being the worst City team ever.
 
thegoatsthegoat said:
We won't. And when the club wants to take the piss with ticketing we will stand up. We won't forget the silence after Istanbul, we won't ignore the silence after Spurs. The club hold no regard for any fan what soever, unless you are spending big with them.
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It’s a fact the club will never love us the way we love them
 
eyalluvitt said:
It’s a fact the club will never love us the way we love them
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And that is normal. I don't expect the Barca boys and such like to love us the way we love the club. I do expect not to be treated the way the club treats its fans, as a bare minimum
 
Moss Side's Finest said:
Nah, don't blame the club for fan entitlement, what you're talking about is a separate matter. Fans have been spoilt by success, they have forgotten what we were and where we've come from.
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Where have we come from? One season in the third tier, is that what people base our history on? We've been in the top tier for over 80% of our existence but fans hark back to one season.
We'd won League titles, FA Cups, League Cups and a Euro pot before the takeover but we have to remember one season playing York and Colchester. And as I went to all but two competitive games that season I remember it all too well, but I don't see it as representative of being a City fan.
I want City to be the best they can be given the money spent and the alleged qualities of the players and manager. We didn't show that for much of last season in the Prem, we didn't show it in Europe, we didn't show it v Spuds and Brighton, and we certainly didn't show it in our two recent FA Cup finals. - If that makes me entitled then I don't really give a fuck.
 
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