He is Risen...

[Yaya_Tony]

Oh and CityKev you can get your porn fix just make sure it from here ; )

http://www.televictim.com/christianporn.html

"sorry baby, not happening tonight"

 

[pominoz]

Yaya-Yony, are you on the piss?

7 consecutive posts? lol

 

[Yaya_Tony]

I've never understood why we are constantly told that Jesus died for our sins. Yet we are told that we are still sinning and risking going to hell. So what was the purpose of this Jesus fella dying FOR our sins.

Excellent question.

 

[Yaya_Tony]

But ill say this to you though, God is real, the devil is real and we will all be accountable for our actions when we die.

Good Luck.

I'll say this to you, you should reassess what you consider reality. Any decent human evaluates what they do, an ongoing process throughout life. When we die we are worm food though. Ashes to ashes, the bible says, and it is the only true bit.

 

[Yaya_Tony]

If you sincerly ask God for forgiveness for your sins, He is always there to forgive.

But why then did Jesus die for MY sins??

Jesus sacrificed himself on the cross as payment for the sins of man. By doing so, he has now given us the freedom to choose whether we want to live accoring to his teachings and go to heaven when we die or turn the other way and live according to the worlds teachings and be completely seperated from God when we die.

This is why we are now able to pray for forgiveness and repent when we sin because Jesus enabled it by paying the ultimate price on the cross.

If Jesus did not die for our sins, we will all be condemned after death.

Middle aged scaremongering doesn't work now the population is more educated, and can see through it.<br /><br />-- Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:32 am --<br /><br />

Our time in this earth is but a blink of an eye in the grand scheme of eternity

One thing I will absolutely agree with you on. Further to that, the Earth is a blink of an eye in terms of the entire universe.

 

[pominoz]

But why then did Jesus die for MY sins??

Jesus sacrificed himself on the cross as payment for the sins of man. By doing so, he has now given us the freedom to choose whether we want to live accoring to his teachings and go to heaven when we die or turn the other way and live according to the worlds teachings and be completely seperated from God when we die.

This is why we are now able to pray for forgiveness and repent when we sin because Jesus enabled it by paying the ultimate price on the cross.

If Jesus did not die for our sins, we will all be condemned after death.

Middle aged scaremongering doesn't work now the population is more educated, and can see through it.

-- Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:32 am --

Our time in this earth is but a blink of an eye in the grand scheme of eternity

One thing I will absolutely agree with you on. Further to that, the Earth is a blink of an eye in terms of the entire universe.

You are right, 6,000 years is a not very long ;)

 

[BimboBob]

Yes, yes, yes, this debate is all well and good but what about my cheese and biscuits?

 

[shevtheblue]

Jesus sacrificed himself on the cross as payment for the sins of man. By doing so, he has now given us the freedom to choose whether we want to live accoring to his teachings and go to heaven when we die or turn the other way and live according to the worlds teachings and be completely seperated from God when we die.

This is why we are now able to pray for forgiveness and repent when we sin because Jesus enabled it by paying the ultimate price on the cross.

If Jesus did not die for our sins, we will all be condemned after death.

You do realise that its highly possible that jesus did not die on the cross, right? I.e he was alive when taken off but badly injured.. Also, why would jesus sacrificing himself spare mankind any punishment? Not egging you on (pun was intended) just curious to have a reasoned debate on the subject without it getting nasty.

I too would really like a reasoned chat. I have a few questions that I would love to know the answer to. As I said in a previous post though Twitter has the barm pot evangelical Christians who never answer anything.

Same with every faith tbf mate, also same with anything that is tribal i.e. Football support etc. I suppose its a human instinct to protect what you have.

 

[shevtheblue]

That makes no sense.
He died for the sins of man thousands of years ago. So are all those who lived before him condemned? Surely they must be if only now are we free to ''choose''.
I also understand that Jesus was sentenced to death. He did not sacrifice himself. He was handed over. In no way does that mean he offered himself up for our sins. So his followers spun that one in my opinion.

And didn't God create man with sin?
I also don't get why he would need to sacrifice himself to his own dad. If his Dad sent him to teach us surely it would benefit humanity that he stayed.

Good points. I think even the biggest christian believer would find it hard to argue that with so many versions of the bible there wasnt some fuckery involved in them somewhere.

Good points indeed. Excellent questions.

Biblically speaking, salvation has always been a product of the content of a person's faith. Those who believed in God would be saved. Because Christ was present at creation (not an indication that I am a world was created 4000 years ago person), his death could pay for the sins of those who died before he was on earth. Jews couldn't have faith in a man who hasn't existed yet, but that doesn't mean that they couldn't be made righteous in the eyes of the Father by the son's sacrifice. They still had to choose to have faith in God.

On the sacrifice point, it's not how he died that was the point (although it did fulfil tonnes of prophecies, partic. Psalm 22), but the fact that he was obedient to death. If he was the son of God, Jesus had unlimited power at his disposal. He could have very easily avoided the cross, but he didn't.

On your "created with sin" point: We were created with sin, but with the opportunity to sin. It's actually a massive expression of love to give someone the opportunity not to love you back.

Why would he need to sacrifice himself in the way that he did? Because Jews knew that story. It actually makes sense of God asking Abraham to kill Isaac, but all along intending to use the lamb as a sacrifice.

Hope these help a little. Going to sleep now, but I'll check back here in the morning.

The born with sin bit i really dont understand. Do you mean man is not born with sin but the opportunity to sin? Therefore a newborn has no sin and if it dies then it would go to heaven?

 

[shevtheblue]

FFS, we get rid of one religious preaching basket case and another one pops up.

You're welcome to your imaginary zombie god and I respect your right to believe in him, but don't start preaching your bollocks on here.

As you said, I am entitled to my opinions as you yours and I am answering questions and giving replies to comments.

Surely it is a very sad thought to assume that you intend to control what people say in this forum as that defeats its purpose. What is more damning and disconcerting is the possibility of the thought that talking about God in this forum is now abhorent and distastful enough to compel people to complain and make threats.

Ultimately, I am not forcing anybody to believe in anything or anyone as we have the freedom of choice and action but i am vehemently obliged to speak out about my belief and faith when the situation ( or thread ) calls for it.

It's not the talking about God, more the calling people hellbound sinners for fancying a bird.

A benevolent God wouldn't punish a man for natural feelings. Instincts even.

What is disconcerting, abhorrent and distasteful to me is that a grown man feels OK with riding his high religious horse while condemning his common man to hell, a hell which the other bloke doesn't even believe exists.

I don't force it on anyone either, but when I come across someone who is so ignorant, yet thinks they are pious, like you, I am also well within my rights to say so.

Within the arguing, theres a good point here. Finding a girl attractive is a chemical reaction, if you believe in god then this is how He has built humans. It would make more sense if the sin was to act on the attraction rather than the sin itself, no?