He is Risen...

[shevtheblue]

You're welcome, and you're right; we are all adopted children of God, the Father and creator. Jesus is the Father's only begotten son, his literal earthly offspring. Christians identify themselves as belonging to Jesus because they can only belong to the Father through him, as on the cross he traded every person's sin for his righteousness. Without that, Christians can't belong to the Father.

How are we adopted to God if we are created by Him though? And how is Jesus the only literal son? Science has shown a lot of cases of immaculate conceptions, so surely they are also begotten children?

Really?
Care to share?

I already replied on this one bud, my memory is clearing dwindling now :sad:

 

[Shadz69]

The older I get the more I feel religious indoctrination is a form of mental abuse.It may be well intentioned but it's abuse nonetheless imo.Cultists telling me to open my mind melt my head.IRONY?

To an extent it is. But there are some values to every religion that undeniably are missing in society today. Its just that the rest of the baggage just makes it seem pointless.

This does'nt wash with me I'm afraid if society has a problem society needs to fix it and I don't see why an outside influence is needed.I know a few in religious orders and the amount of work they do to improve all around them is phenomenal and impresses me hugely but I know non religious who do the same.Being religious does'nt give someone the edge on anyone else it's just that they themselves feel it does.

 

[pominoz]

How are we adopted to God if we are created by Him though? And how is Jesus the only literal son? Science has shown a lot of cases of immaculate conceptions, so surely they are also begotten children?

Really?
Care to share?

I already replied on this one bud, my memory is clearing dwindling now :sad:

Could you point me to it please, as i must have missed it.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

Anybody that dies without Christ will be eternally seperated from God and will go to hell.That includes blasphemers and those that perversely obtain satisfaction from smearing Gods name.

I repeat, the greatest scheme and deception of the devil is convincing the world that he and God does not exist.

Unfortunately his plan is working in the world today and in this forum.

Open your eyes, we are in the final phase of the world and Jesus is coming back very soon to take those that repented and lived their lives according to his teachings with him to heaven.The rest that remain will be at the mercy of the new world order.

At this point those that do not believe in God, which will be most, will succumb and belief the explanations and lies of the new world order and become lost forever.

This is serious lads,.... it aint a joke. Do your research (even youtube will provide a lot of info for you), read your bible,pray, honestly open your hearts to God and he will reveal himself to you.

If 'god' can send so many good and honest people into eternal damnation then he's no god of mine.

Very good comment and I appreciate it.

Thats why I implore you to do research and try and pray, just try it and see.

God has given us the freedom to choose our path in life and we all be accountable for our actions when we die.

How do you define good and honest?, is it loving your family and friends, not stealing or telling lies, or not committting murder.

That is a good approach but God also tells us to love our enemies and love everybody like we love ourselves. He also tells also to-
- abstain from anything that glorifies sin and vandalizes the flesh such as sexual immorlity ( which includes checking a girl out when she walks by, watching porn and fornication),drunkiness and smoking.

-abstain from idolatory. Now this is very important because the definition of idolatory is anything that you put or prioritize ahead of God. It could be a musician or pop stars- the devil has compelled a lot of young kids nowadays to idolize pop stars like beyonce and Jayz. It could also be things like a football club. You notice how we all sing bluemoon at the start of every match almost as if we are worhipping the club. That is idolatory.

So you see how easy it is to fall into the trap of sin.

This is the deception that is taking place at the end times, the devil is using the media and other tools to decieve others and make them turn away from God because he knows the end is near and he is desperate to make sure that many people end up in hell with him.

This is why you have to WAKE UP NOW and open your heart to God so he can reveal the truth and the real defination of being good and honest and so that you will not be eternally damned when you die.

Dont get me wrong I am not a saint and I commit sin as well. Last night I watched the seasons premier of Game of thrones twice in a row knowing fully well it is full of sex and unneccesarily voilence and another tool of the devil to glorify sin and lead people astray.

But the difference between me and you is that I KNOW THAT THERE IS A GOD AND THIS IS A DIVINE PREVILEDGE because i know I can always turn to Him for salvation and repentance.

I am not blind.

Open your eyes, minds and heart and God will reveal himself to you.

IT IS NOT GODS INTENTION THAT WE END UP IN HELL .THAT IS WHY HE SENT JESUS CHRIST ON EARTH TO DIE FOR OUR SINS and has given us the freedom to make the right choice.

Make the right choice.

Okay, I've finally got round to this, if you're still here.

Your first mistake is incorrectly assuming I haven't prayed or at any time in the past believed in any sort of higher power. Actually, I was what I would regard as a believing Christian for quite a significant portion of my life. It was reading the bible, and seeing how badly it stood up to scrutiny that stopped me believing. The first time I had doubts was when I was in hospital for routine surgery, I was 14. I prayed for everything to go swimmingly, and everything went horribly wrong. I ended up being in there for 6 weeks and coming out weighing 5 stone. So you can tell me to 'just try it and see'. I have tried it, many, many times. Either it doesn't work or your god is unspeakably cruel.

As for idolatry. I idolise nothing in my life, and nothing in my life is beyond reproach but that is beside the point as it makes little difference to me. The way I define 'good and honest' doesn't really matter. Consider the following: Two men live identical lives, they have identical jobs, they both do charity work, they have children who they love. There is one difference though, one believes in Jesus and god, and the other does not. Can you say that this one single characteristic makes this person bad? That they will go to hell despite doing everything in exactly the same way as the Christian? Doesn't seem like justice to me. These are both good people, separated by one opinion. If you believe that this is how your god decides which people are good and honest and which are not, then I'd say that he is rather insidious. Hardly the trait of a perfect being.

Unlike some anti-theists, I actually would love to have it proven to me that god exists. I'd like to open my eyes one morning and he be stood before me. It would make my fucking day, it really would. I'm not however, irrational, and thus whatever I see has to be concrete evidence. If it isn't, then I can hardly be expected to believe in the things you have just said to be true, it would be deceptive of a god to expect that. If he reveals himself then I'll let you know, I'm sat here waiting. But up to now he's a no show in just about every area of mine and many other people's lives.

Also, as you went on a little tirade about modern media idolatry. Not everybody cares what Rihanna had for breakfast, in fact I'm going to guess that most people don't. I don't listen to modern pop, I don't really watch any media or TV, read any newspapers and I make my own opinions on things. I do physics, all day every day, that's my thing. If god wants to condemn me for doing that, then so be it.

 

[Pughie]

If having a gander at a good looking lady as she walks by is a sin, I am well and truly fucked. I should also bid a fine farewell to the gratuitous pictures thread.

If you look then you have sinned in your heart and there is no difference to actual fornicating.
Think about it, you look, then admire, then those sexual thoughts start streaming into your mind( ooh, i will like to do this and do that to her... you know what i mean) and this may even compel you to go and actually commit the act.

So dont be fooled by the devils deception.

But now you know, and I hope it remains in your subconsious henceforth.

But surely that is natural to look for an attractive mate? - seen as we were evolved from Apes and that the meaning of life is pretty much to carry on your race by reproducing, natural selection dictates that we look for the best attributes in a mate so that our offspring have the best chance of reproducing and carrying on the race due to their inherited good looks.

Therefore looking at an attractive lady is bred within us genetically from our race's previous incarnation over a squillion years ago.

Or am I completely wrong and God made Adam out of nowt and then made Eve out of the bone in his cock? (sorry I mean rib)

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

I must admit that God appearing would not make my day at all.
Or rather it would make it considerably worse,knowing that an omnipotent,all-powerful being actually existed,but chose to do fuck all to stop wars,famines,droughts,tsunamis,murder,rape,child abuse and the rags winning things.
Because if such an all-powerful God does exist,then he is a right ****,and we'd be better off without Him.
Which,of course,we are.

 

[ali benarbia's studs]

I must admit that God appearing would not make my day at all.
Or rather it would make it considerably worse,knowing that an omnipotent,all-powerful being actually existed,but chose to do fuck all to stop wars,famines,droughts,tsunamis,murder,rape,child abuse and the rags winning things.
Because if such an all-powerful God does exist,then he is a right ****,and we'd be better off without Him.
Which,of course,we are.

lovely fetters........but last may he was with us when we won the league!!! I am sure!

 

[tonea2003]

You're welcome, and you're right; we are all adopted children of God, the Father and creator. Jesus is the Father's only begotten son, his literal earthly offspring. Christians identify themselves as belonging to Jesus because they can only belong to the Father through him, as on the cross he traded every person's sin for his righteousness. Without that, Christians can't belong to the Father.

How are we adopted to God if we are created by Him though? And how is Jesus the only literal son? Science has shown a lot of cases of immaculate conceptions, so surely they are also begotten children?

Really?
Care to share?

yes i'm interested in this little nugget too

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

I must admit that God appearing would not make my day at all.
Or rather it would make it considerably worse,knowing that an omnipotent,all-powerful being actually existed,but chose to do fuck all to stop wars,famines,droughts,tsunamis,murder,rape,child abuse and the rags winning things.
Because if such an all-powerful God does exist,then he is a right ****,and we'd be better off without Him.
Which,of course,we are.

Okay, well I probably need to clarify that statement.

You're right, if say the Christian/Abrahamic god were to appear before me, I might be rather pissed off with him too.

I was speaking in a more general context about some kind of higher being. Maybe somebody who started the universe for a laugh then took a back seat. I might not be 'happy' with him so to speak, but I'd find it curious and interesting.

I do like the thought of the super natural, I think it's human nature to be attracted to that notion. Liking the thought of something doesn't make it true though, and I think that's a distinction a lot of people struggle with.<br /><br />-- Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:26 pm --<br /><br />

How are we adopted to God if we are created by Him though? And how is Jesus the only literal son? Science has shown a lot of cases of immaculate conceptions, so surely they are also begotten children?

Really?
Care to share?

yes i'm interested in this little nugget too

Yes so am I. At face value it looks like he might actually mean 'history' not 'science'. As in, historically there are lots of societal myths about such events, though none are proven by science. Jesus' birth is just one of many similar stories.

 

[metalblue]

I do like the thought of the super natural, I think it's human nature to be attracted to that notion.

I agree with this, I'm sure most of us don't want to think once our time here is done that is the end...even though most of us believe it is. It gives us comfort and in that regard can't be considered a bad thing. It's when people try and control that (i.e. the religion element) that can turn it from being "good" to be "dangerous".