Hillsborough - The Search for Truth

[Hotrocks]

I was a bit disappointed with the programme coz I thought we were going to find something new out. But then again this is a story that should keep being told so that generations to come should realise the contempt that football fans were held in by authority figures.

On the other hand I pray that a day will come that a Liverpool fan stands up and admits that they were a horrible bunch at the time, who regularly turned up late and pissed. I`m not blaming them but a bit of culpability wouldnt go amiss.

 

[Anonymous]

Tragic, poor organisation and incompetance cost innocent lives including the Heysal disaster, Liverpool have had a tough time of it in that respect.

You are fuck in jokin! If you ever came across Liverpool Fans in that era you would appreciate that many of them were animals who shouldn't have been let out of their own shit hole of a city. ( ditto Celtic fans who visited us last year for a pre season "friendly" --- re call what they did to the South Stand?)
At Heysal, they attacked the opposition fans, and then pissed on the the injured and dead as they were being stretchered out of the stadium.
At Hillsborough, 96 innocent Liverpool supporters were killed by others from Liverpool.
But no it was Liverpool, so they blame every one but themselves!

Judging by your location, they can't come quick enough.

 

[BigJoe#1]

I watched the whole thing unfurl on BBC TV on the day.

My original post was not suggesting that Liverpool fans were wholly to blame for the incident but whther they you or I like it or not they were in part culpable.

They turned up late and pissed, that is a fact. The organisation was poor and the fans should bave been better managed outside the ground. However if you look at the questions on the link all they are keen to do is ensure someone else gets blamed 100%.

It was absolutely tragic what happened because the fans that really suffered and perished were the sensible ones who turned up early and were trapped at the front. I would like to see all aspects investigated not just the ones that blame the authorities, though it is obvious they should be held to account for their actions/inactions on the day.

 

[yerwot?]

I watched the whole thing unfurl on BBC TV on the day.

My original post was not suggesting that Liverpool fans were wholly to blame for the incident but whther they you or I like it or not they were in part culpable.

They turned up late and pissed, that is a fact. The organisation was poor and the fans should bave been better managed outside the ground. However if you look at the questions on the link all they are keen to do is ensure someone else gets blamed 100%.

It was absolutely tragic what happened because the fans that really suffered and perished were the sensible ones who turned up early and were trapped at the front. I would like to see all aspects investigated not just the ones that blame the authorities, though it is obvious they should be held to account for their actions/inactions on the day.

the "sensible ones" ycnmiu
your hatred is blatantly obvious, putting "fact" after a proven lie changes nothing, proves nothing, achieves nothing. Btw most victims died when the barrier collapsed, not at the front. Not that you would be interested of course

 

[squirtyflower]

I was a bit disappointed with the programme coz I thought we were going to find something new out.

agreed

Learnt nothing new at all, so why the programme? Why not one after Wednesday's announcement, not that I think we'll hear anything new then either

 

[shackattack]

the saddest thing about the whole hillsborough tragedy is that decades later the families are still seeking answers to questions on how family members died. find it hard to believe they will be any nearer this on wednesday and their anger will still exist. for some it might be time to move on with their lives and accept that the authorities will never release this information.
am no expert on hillsborough but having lost mates i have an interest in it. there is no evidence that fans urinated on people at heysel or hillsborough and few football fans in the 80's were angels. am not saying the liverpool fans were not beyond blame but the reality is the the police failed miserably in coping with the build up and aftermath and covered up for themselves along with the media and government. how do 96 people die at a football game is astounding and when we sit in our new stadia realise that is because of disasters such as ibrox, burnden park,bradford, hillsborough, that we do. on a humane level it's awful how the families were treated when they went to identify their sons, daughters etc.

 

[Mike N]

It's always going to be rammed outside a football ground on semi-final day.

I remember the anger I felt as a football fan who'd seen a few near misses in that era and it's a pity that so many football fans are now ready to let their parochial dislike for Scousers colour their views. If we weren't so poor a team at the time, it could quite easily have been us.

Marvin

I think the same thing every time I see anything about Hillsborough. I was at Ewood that day and furious with our team when I got back into the coach and then I heard the radio of what was happening at Sheffield.

Football fans of any colour would have been the same that day. God forbid it would have been our mates who died that day, or our brothers or sisters.

Justice for the 96.

 

[BigJoe#1]

I watched the whole thing unfurl on BBC TV on the day.

My original post was not suggesting that Liverpool fans were wholly to blame for the incident but whther they you or I like it or not they were in part culpable.

They turned up late and pissed, that is a fact. The organisation was poor and the fans should bave been better managed outside the ground. However if you look at the questions on the link all they are keen to do is ensure someone else gets blamed 100%.

It was absolutely tragic what happened because the fans that really suffered and perished were the sensible ones who turned up early and were trapped at the front. I would like to see all aspects investigated not just the ones that blame the authorities, though it is obvious they should be held to account for their actions/inactions on the day.

the "sensible ones" ycnmiu
your hatred is blatantly obvious, putting "fact" after a proven lie changes nothing, proves nothing, achieves nothing. Btw most victims died when the barrier collapsed, not at the front. Not that you would be interested of course

Why so aggressive Bellbuzzer? The majority of fans that were killed were at the front of the crush, they were in the ground early. It was the fans who turned up late and pushed through to get to see the game (accepting the crowd management was poor) that caused the crush.

 

[BrianW]

Let's be honest, we'll never know the full 'truth'. People who were there have different viewpoints, no one saw everything.

The background though is that at the time the Tory Government, headed by Thatcher had a big downer on football fans. This was due to hooliganism, which, though generally exaggerated, definitely existed. Liverpool fans had a bad rep., although it should be noted that no set of fans, including ours, were 100% angels. The Daily Hitler was running a hate campaign against football fans, rather like the one it's currently running against the disabled.

The average copper is Right wing, not a leading thinker, and often regards working-class people, especially young males, as scum. The policing of matches in those days was unsubtle at best. You would be treated with surly contempt at best, even if you were behaving yourself. It was nothing to be pushed around or prodded by some impatient plod.

So I am sure that when 'trouble' became evident, a lot of people at the time thought it was down to Liverpool fans kicking off. They were programmed to think like that. There is no doubt that the crush in the crowd was managed with total incompetence, and the medical arrangements were chaotic.

It happened to be Liverpool fans that day, but it could as easily have been our lot, or any other team. South Yorkshire Police were hopeless, and someone should have been brought to account. But they were Maggie's mates, and it was politically inconvenient to 'undermine' them.

 

[The Flash]

The programme was a prelude to the release of previously unseen governement documents surrounding the tragedy, on Wednesday.