Hoffenheim (A) Post Match Thread

[ChicagoBlue]

I think the referee blew for it to be retaken from where the ball actually went over the touch line. silva took it about a yard in front. Pedantic but that is the rule of the game.

Oh yeah, just like every other throw-in in the game! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[squirtyflower]

I think the referee blew for it to be retaken from where the ball actually went over the touch line. silva took it about a yard in front. Pedantic but that is the rule of the game.

Except their full back and three throw ins in exactly the same spot and encroached about 10 yards on each one.
And we did the re take from the same place

 

[squirtyflower]

There is no reason why the referee should have held up play. No object enters the field and play should have continued.

However, the referee is probably unsure who had the last touch, partly because a Hoffenheim player is in his ear. (The ball is cleanly intercepted by a Hoffenheim player’s foot, it’s not deflected against Sane on the way out).
Now, he could have been making his own mind up or checking with the Lino, who doesn’t have a great view on the half way line, but he can’t overturn a decision that he makes once play has restarted, which is the crux of the matter.

So, the answer to the mystery is that he stopped play because David Silva was too quick for him when deciding who last touched the ball.

Now, go back and read 1st paragraph, that’s what should have happened.
Seems legit but very annoying

Lol the amount of twisting to show a bent ref is fair

 

[caseball]

Yeah. As pointed out, he actually awards the throw to City. So it looks like he's just pulling it up to move it back a yard. If so, the mind boggles.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Yaya hates this post.

 

[Paladin]

None of them qualifies as an "honest mistake". Not a single one, I'm sorry. That's why I wrote "no coincidence", and that's why I wrote "it's a clear message, a message they've been delivering repeatedly". I stand firm by my position...

Given the opportunity: I know I'm probably wasting my time here, some people will never get it. Just for the record: When we evaluate individual performances or team performances as a whole, we should always take into account the overall circumstances of a particular game. Matches are not played in laboratories, you see. Referees? Christ. It won't take longer than 5 minutes for a professional footballer to identify a ref's policy. He doesn't need a not given penalty to make up his mind, no. "Simple", "routine" decisions will do. Within 5 minutes he will either feel comfortable / safe (and focus on his footbal)l or threatened. Identifying a force hostile towards him. The moment he realises this, his game will most probably be influenced...

Now an experienced player like David could probably handle it. Perhaps. Aguero? Probably the same (after all he is a SC, if you understand what I mean). But Eric is still young (with zero CL ecperience), Raheem is still young, Leroy, John? They are young, ffs. I mean 24 hours later and personally I'm still fucking fuming, couldn't fucking concentrate at work today (and I had a lot to do, believe me, lol). I was not playing, just watching. Put yourself in their place, how THEY felt during the match. It's not easy, is it?

Furthermore, City do not have a "name" in Europe yet, they are building a tradition, as we speak. A player wearing the Madrid shirt, for example, will feel "respected" before even ref's first whistle. Which in turn makes him feel invincible. I mean he doesn't have to worry, vary rarely or never will he be treated unfairly. While City players facing such situations are obliged to find the mental strength in themselves, from their teammates. So as to deal with them. Most of all, having faith in the quality of the team game. What they've been working with their manager in the training ground, and how effective this is in official matches. That's the only source of optimism (or not). Again, it's not easy, outside factors do have serious influence on the psychology of a game, on individual / team performances. Guardiola says, City need years, decades, to get where Barcelona or Madrid stand; the man knows what he's talking about...

As I said, for people with a deeper understanding of the game what I write is common sense. For others, I would hope they listened to the captain's words post match, for a start. Which should tell them a lot. As for the team, I'm sure players (all players) already know that in order to progress in the competition, they need to prepare themselves for the Skominas out there. That's the challenge they're facing, tough, I know. As unfortunate as it sounds, they will have to beat them too...

Excellent, well considered post. Thank you.

There is no reason why the referee should have held up play. No object enters the field and play should have continued.

However, the referee is probably unsure who had the last touch, partly because a Hoffenheim player is in his ear. (The ball is cleanly intercepted by a Hoffenheim player’s foot, it’s not deflected against Sane on the way out).
Now, he could have been making his own mind up or checking with the Lino, who doesn’t have a great view on the half way line, but he can’t overturn a decision that he makes once play has restarted, which is the crux of the matter.

So, the answer to the mystery is that he stopped play because David Silva was too quick for him when deciding who last touched the ball.

Now, go back and read 1st paragraph, that’s what should have happened.
Seems legit but very annoying

This is a far-fetched contrivance to find a plausible explanation to an inexplicable decision. However, I would disagree because firstly, from the actions of the players, everyone knew and accepted it was a City throw in. Hoffenheim players did not react to pick up the ball themselves and take the throw, they all started to regain their correct position. Sane was faster than them though. So there was no decision to make by the referee. It was clearly a City throw, and there was no need to indicate anything. Just let the game flow.

Secondly, there was no Hoffenheim player in the referee’s ear. There is a Hoffenheim player just behind the referee, but no indication that he is communicating with the referee. He had no need to. He, like everyone else, knew it was a City throw in. Referees (I am one) generally know if a player is trying to con him, and that wasn’t the case here.

There are a few games when pretty much the whole of the fanbase feels something is wrong, and we are being cheated. This is one of those occasions. A good game of football was spoiled by a referee who did not want us to win. And the joy of winning was tainted and overwhelmed by a feeling of anger, and it shouldn’t be like this. This is not the same as losing to a team when we are all over them, or even losing to a dodgy referees decision.

There are posts in this thread that identify the flow of play being interrupted when we are in possession, but not when our opponents were in possession. Goal linesmen identifying players whilst the ball is out of play, before that player is penalised for something innocuous or made up. Awarding us plenty of fouls in non-threatening areas of the pitch, which can be used as a device to pad statistics.

For me, this throw in decision was a major mistake by the referee, because it betrayed his stance towards us. There was clearly no reason to stop play, other than to deny us a goal-scoring opportunity. The overall performance of the referee merely serves to confirm that the referee had an agenda against us.

This referee is a cheat, and it needs to be investigated. The comments from @Nelinho about Kompany’s interview are spot on. The players knew what was going on, and it affected their performance. I’m still angry about this game.

 

[Carver]

Excellent, well considered post. Thank you.



This is a far-fetched contrivance to find a plausible explanation to an inexplicable decision. However, I would disagree because firstly, from the actions of the players, everyone knew and accepted it was a City throw in. Hoffenheim players did not react to pick up the ball themselves and take the throw, they all started to regain their correct position. Sane was faster than them though. So there was no decision to make by the referee. It was clearly a City throw, and there was no need to indicate anything. Just let the game flow.

Secondly, there was no Hoffenheim player in the referee’s ear. There is a Hoffenheim player just behind the referee, but no indication that he is communicating with the referee. He had no need to. He, like everyone else, knew it was a City throw in. Referees (I am one) generally know if a player is trying to con him, and that wasn’t the case here.

There are a few games when pretty much the whole of the fanbase feels something is wrong, and we are being cheated. This is one of those occasions. A good game of football was spoiled by a referee who did not want us to win. And the joy of winning was tainted and overwhelmed by a feeling of anger, and it shouldn’t be like this. This is not the same as losing to a team when we are all over them, or even losing to a dodgy referees decision.

There are posts in this thread that identify the flow of play being interrupted when we are in possession, but not when our opponents were in possession. Goal linesmen identifying players whilst the ball is out of play, before that player is penalised for something innocuous or made up. Awarding us plenty of fouls in non-threatening areas of the pitch, which can be used as a device to pad statistics.

For me, this throw in decision was a major mistake by the referee, because it betrayed his stance towards us. There was clearly no reason to stop play, other than to deny us a goal-scoring opportunity. The overall performance of the referee merely serves to confirm that the referee had an agenda against us.

This referee is a cheat, and it needs to be investigated. The comments from @Nelinho about Kompany’s interview are spot on. The players knew what was going on, and it affected their performance. I’m still angry about this game.

You must have been watching different footage to me then, there is clearly a Hoffenheim player asking the referee something during this period of play.

I hope you are more impartial when you are in charge of games.

It will be interesting if somebody can lip read or it gets ‘accidentally ‘ mentioned what exactly was the content of the conversation between Pep and the referee, I.e. what his excuse is. It doesn’t look to me that the ref is apologising though.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Excellent, well considered post. Thank you.



This is a far-fetched contrivance to find a plausible explanation to an inexplicable decision. However, I would disagree because firstly, from the actions of the players, everyone knew and accepted it was a City throw in. Hoffenheim players did not react to pick up the ball themselves and take the throw, they all started to regain their correct position. Sane was faster than them though. So there was no decision to make by the referee. It was clearly a City throw, and there was no need to indicate anything. Just let the game flow.

Secondly, there was no Hoffenheim player in the referee’s ear. There is a Hoffenheim player just behind the referee, but no indication that he is communicating with the referee. He had no need to. He, like everyone else, knew it was a City throw in. Referees (I am one) generally know if a player is trying to con him, and that wasn’t the case here.

There are a few games when pretty much the whole of the fanbase feels something is wrong, and we are being cheated. This is one of those occasions. A good game of football was spoiled by a referee who did not want us to win. And the joy of winning was tainted and overwhelmed by a feeling of anger, and it shouldn’t be like this. This is not the same as losing to a team when we are all over them, or even losing to a dodgy referees decision.

There are posts in this thread that identify the flow of play being interrupted when we are in possession, but not when our opponents were in possession. Goal linesmen identifying players whilst the ball is out of play, before that player is penalised for something innocuous or made up. Awarding us plenty of fouls in non-threatening areas of the pitch, which can be used as a device to pad statistics.

For me, this throw in decision was a major mistake by the referee, because it betrayed his stance towards us. There was clearly no reason to stop play, other than to deny us a goal-scoring opportunity. The overall performance of the referee merely serves to confirm that the referee had an agenda against us.

This referee is a cheat, and it needs to be investigated. The comments from @Nelinho about Kompany’s interview are spot on. The players knew what was going on, and it affected their performance. I’m still angry about this game.

Great post you've summed it up for all to see but shortly the 4/5 'No agenda' usual suspects will be along to totally miss the point as usual.

I've given up bothering to engage with said posters I've not got the patience .......

 

[squirtyflower]

Great post you've summed it up for all to see but shortly the 4/5 'No agenda' usual suspects will be along to totally miss the point as usual.

I've given up bothering to engage with said posters I've not got the patience .......

There can’t be cheating refs unless you have a signed document from a high court judge that has confirmed the sentencing of said individuals and their controllers.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

There can’t be cheating refs unless you have a signed document from a high court judge that has confirmed the sentencing of said individuals and their controllers.

You know what you're right, there'd be too many involved for them to be bent. ;)

Agggghhhhhhhhhhh.....fuck it!! BOOOOOOO