Holistic approach

[bluemoon32]

What does this 'holistic approach' mean?
We are City, not Barca, what I expect from City is City's style, not that spanish club style
If we become Barca 2.0, then we are destined to be slaughted by those Germans in the CL?

Lol.

Yeah because that's all Barca have done in the last 5 years.

And unless we get a Messi type player copying Barca wont ever work.

 

[Plaything of the gods]

On a proper computer now, so can easily quote and comment on that BBC article:

Roberto Mancini's man-management style was to blame for his exit as Manchester City manager, according to former defender Danny Mills.

Mancini, 48, was sacked on Monday after three-and-a-half years in charge.

City chairman Khaldoon Al Mubarak said the club needed to "develop a holistic approach to all aspects of football at the club".

"There wasn't the togetherness between player and manager," Mills told BBC Radio 5 live.

"Basically, he just ignored players from day one. He was the manager, he made decisions, he made no attempt to have any sort of relationship with the players, didn't take them under his wing. It was very much, 'I'm the manager, I'll do my thing, I'll pick the team and then I'll disappear'.

"You speak to the players and you know there's a lot of discontent in that dressing room. They'll say it wasn't a particularly happy camp at times, there were a lot of different factions in that dressing room."

Mancini, who signed a new five-year deal last summer having won the Premier League title, has been involved in a number of high-profile altercations with his players since he replaced Mark Hughes in December 2009.

His most notable quarrel was in January when he was involved in a training-ground bust-up with Italian striker Mario Balotelli where photos showed the pair having to be separated by staff and team-mates at Carrington training ground.

In September 2011, the Italian said Carlos Tevez was "finished" at the club after accusing him of refusing to play as a substitute in the Champions League game against Bayern Munich.

After a disciplinary hearing, fines, a suspension, an unauthorised return to Argentina and an apology, Tevez returned to the City fold five months later.

Midfielder Samir Nasri criticised Mancini after the manager claimed he wanted to "punch" the Frenchman for his inconsistent displays earlier this year, while goalkeeper Joe Hart was rebuked for criticising the side following a 3-2 Champions League loss at Real Madrid in September.

After the FA Cup final defeat by Wigan, Mancini criticised the club for failing to publicly deny media reports identifying Malaga boss Manuel Pellegrini as his likely replacement.

Mills added: "You need to understand the players, you need to know what makes them tick. You have never heard the players come out and back their manager and that sticks in the mind.

"You cannot come out and criticise your players publicly. Arsene Wenger doesn't do it at Arsenal and Sir Alex Ferguson doesn't do it at Manchester United. We know he kicks boots, or give them the hairdryer, he might even have had the odd punch-up, but in public he protects his players.

"You have to ask why didn't those top players who they were linked with go there in the summer? They were in the Champions League, they were the champions of England, they pay more money than anybody else - why would you not go there unless it wasn't a happy place to be?"

Mancini's City spats

March 2013: Says he would like "to punch" Samir Nasri after a 4-0 win over Newcastle
March 2013: Joe Hart says criticism makes him feel Mancini does not believe he is "up to it" on occasions
March 2013: Criticises captain Vincent Kompany for playing for Belgium while injured
January 2013: Photographed having a 'bust-up' with Mario Balotelli on the training ground. Later sells Balotelli to AC Milan
October 2012: Defends his tactical switches after Micah Richards raised concerns about playing with three centre-backs. "What Micah said is not important"
September 2012: Tells goalkeeper Joe Hart to stop criticising the team, insisting he is the only "judge"
April 2012: Says he will sell Mario Balotelli after his red card against Arsenal, saying: "I don't have any words for his behaviour"
February 2012: Carlos Tevez accuses Mancini of treating him "like a dog"
September 2011: Says he wants Carlos Tevez "out of the club" after the striker refused to play against Bayern Munich. Tevez does not play for the club for five months

Bad feeling in the dressing room comes out in the on-field performance. I was convinced at the time that something had happened before the Southampton game. We know that Mancini had rescinded on Pants playing in the FA Cup final. Other lacklustre performances probably have the same origin.

Not covered in that article, but also relevant I feel, is Mancini's style of always playing the top players and not bringing on the younger talent. I think it was Ajax away when the commentator said that Mancini's only tactic seemed to be to throw on as many forwards as he'd got; no formation, just strikers.

I like the guy. He stood up to pisscan and got the better of him on the pitch (players being highly self-motivated for those games notwithstanding), but I don't think he could have taken City on further. As that article points out, why did City not attract any of our top transfer targets last summer? Word was out about what it was like to play for City. Hopefully, the current players will now want to stay and this summer's targets will want to join them. Kiddo as manager will be interesting and a good stand-in.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I'm fed up of everyone saying Mancini should have gave youth more of a chance.
He signed and played our best centre back this season -19 years old.

If EDS players has been good enough, they would have played, no doubt about it. The fact is they are not good enough and not ready for the Premier league. That's not Mancini's fault!

Very good point missed by many of us and all of the media and Pfa

He took no interest whatsoever in the EDS or what they were doing. It was only the first team with him and he had no interest in the development of the younger players at all. He would much rather buy than promote.

 

[mancity1]

I'm fed up of everyone saying Mancini should have gave youth more of a chance.
He signed and played our best centre back this season -19 years old.

If EDS players has been good enough, they would have played, no doubt about it. The fact is they are not good enough and not ready for the Premier league. That's not Mancini's fault!

Very good point missed by many of us and all of the media and Pfa

He took no interest whatsoever in the EDS or what they were doing. It was only the first team with him and he had no interest in the development of the younger players at all. He would much rather buy than promote.

You cannot promote youth into a premiership club expecting to challenge for the title unless you want some short term pain results wise while they gain the experience needed.

Mancini knew at the start of the season he had to improve on our Chumps League effort and challenge if not go back to back so its inevitable he didn't look beyond the players he already had and came in during August.

You need to be something special at EDS level to be drafted into the first team squad and alas we don't have another MR around it seems at present.

 

[without a dream]

It's quite sad that even football isn't free of corporate bullshit anymore, say what you fucking mean, not what sounds good. Some journo is going to ask what they mean by holistic at some point so why not just get it out the way in the statement?

 

[oldius]

I thought this was the most important part of the club statement.

The club has to have an aligned philosophy where everyone within the club understands and follows a shared approach. Mancini is an autocrat and would undoubtedly find it difficult to work within such a scenario.

Those suggesting that this could be at the risk of short term success definitely have a point but for sustained growth and adherence to FFP it is probably the correct one. I love Mancini and I'm sorry to see him go but I do understand and accept the reasons for his dismissal.

 

[OxBlue]

It's quite sad that even football isn't free of corporate bullshit anymore, say what you fucking mean, not what sounds good. Some journo is going to ask what they mean by holistic at some point so why not just get it out the way in the statement?

There's a lot of corporate bull around I agree, but saying a Holistic Approach is not. It simply means looking at all parts of the system. i.e they want a manager that will work with the whole system, maybe alluding to the fact that they need to be watching the EDS/Kids and make sure there is a playing style throughout the age ranges that matches so people are ready to step up to the team above when needed.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

I hope that on Sunday they have holistic meat and potato pies on CBL3. I will not be palmed off with the old shite that doesn't match our new approach.

Just as a point to ponder, I rarely listen to BaconFace, the remote is pretty handy when his purple face fills the screen, so can anyone tell me if the old UrineContainer has ever used the word himself and was it central to their 20th title?

 

[the god Gerry Gow]

It's quite sad that even football isn't free of corporate bullshit anymore, say what you fucking mean, not what sounds good. Some journo is going to ask what they mean by holistic at some point so why not just get it out the way in the statement?

There's a lot of corporate bull around I agree, but saying a Holistic Approach is not. It simply means looking at all parts of the system. i.e they want a manager that will work with the whole system, maybe alluding to the fact that they need to be watching the EDS/Kids and make sure there is a playing style throughout the age ranges that matches so people are ready to step up to the team above when needed.

Agree with all that but would also add that the club is a showpiece for Abu Dhabi and the Sheikh and maybe they also want everyone on message and promoting the best possible image around the world. Unseemly squabbaling(?) doesnt fit into that approach

 

[OxBlue]

It's quite sad that even football isn't free of corporate bullshit anymore, say what you fucking mean, not what sounds good. Some journo is going to ask what they mean by holistic at some point so why not just get it out the way in the statement?

There's a lot of corporate bull around I agree, but saying a Holistic Approach is not. It simply means looking at all parts of the system. i.e they want a manager that will work with the whole system, maybe alluding to the fact that they need to be watching the EDS/Kids and make sure there is a playing style throughout the age ranges that matches so people are ready to step up to the team above when needed.

Agree with all that but would also add that the club is a showpiece for Abu Dhabi and the Sheikh and maybe they also want everyone on message and promoting the best possible image around the world. Unseemly squabbaling(?) doesnt fit into that approach

True, I was thinking of the manager and down, but the "Holistic approach" would also and have to include the manager and up.