Home grown players (merged)

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Re: Transfer Policy - English players

Gordon Taylor is already pushing for a 3 homegrown rule as discussed here -> <a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=302962" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=1&t=302962</a>

As I said in that thread, it's the only thing after FFP where they may be able to hurt City. At least until the academy produces players good enough to play an active part in the first team without lowering the quality of the side.

IF this was to come to pass, our best hope is it being delayed several years. We have as much quality English talent in the 14-18 age group as Chelsea or Southampton.

Apologies. Completely missed that thread, but it's exactly what I'm getting at. England's World Cup failure plays right into the reformists hands. I certainly don't think the "attacks" on City will begin and end with FFP. Qualification for the Champions League is far too important financially for the rags and the dippers not to explore every means possible of nobbling the competition in future, and our lack of competitive English players (Hart, Milner, and, er, that's it) is so glaring we might as well have a target painted on us

 

[jonmcity]

Re: Transfer Policy - English players

On the day that we've signed Fernando and Bruno Zuculini, the rags have signed Luke Shaw, and Adam Lallana's having a medical at Candlepool. I think the World Cup constituted fair proof that most English players are overpriced and/or shite, but as an avenue for post FFP attack, are we leaving ourselves wide open by not bidding for English players? The rags, Liverpool and the Arse are awash with them, and I'd be willing to bet they will move heaven and earth never to miss out on the Chimps League again. With Gill established at UEFA and that other rag stooge Dyke in situ at the EPL, the most obvious curve ball they can now throw us is an insistence on, say, at least 4 home grown players starting every game. Should we not be in the market for players like Lallana, Caulker or Townsend on that basis?

Think you are correct. it wont be long before they try this, they will use the excuse to improve the England team.
We need our academy to start producing the goods.

 

[lancs blue]

Re: Transfer Policy - English players

On the day that we've signed Fernando and Bruno Zuculini, the rags have signed Luke Shaw, and Adam Lallana's having a medical at Candlepool. I think the World Cup constituted fair proof that most English players are overpriced and/or shite, but as an avenue for post FFP attack, are we leaving ourselves wide open by not bidding for English players? The rags, Liverpool and the Arse are awash with them, and I'd be willing to bet they will move heaven and earth never to miss out on the Chimps League again. With Gill established at UEFA and that other rag stooge Dyke in situ at the EPL, the most obvious curve ball they can now throw us is an insistence on, say, at least 4 home grown players starting every game. Should we not be in the market for players like Lallana, Caulker or Townsend on that basis?

Think you are correct. it wont be long before they try this, they will use the excuse to improve the England team.
We need our academy to start producing the goods.

I'm not sure how it will improve the England team as they can't impose an "English" quota, it will have to be a home-grown quota to avoid EU labour laws.

 

[jonmcity]

Re: Transfer Policy - English players

On the day that we've signed Fernando and Bruno Zuculini, the rags have signed Luke Shaw, and Adam Lallana's having a medical at Candlepool. I think the World Cup constituted fair proof that most English players are overpriced and/or shite, but as an avenue for post FFP attack, are we leaving ourselves wide open by not bidding for English players? The rags, Liverpool and the Arse are awash with them, and I'd be willing to bet they will move heaven and earth never to miss out on the Chimps League again. With Gill established at UEFA and that other rag stooge Dyke in situ at the EPL, the most obvious curve ball they can now throw us is an insistence on, say, at least 4 home grown players starting every game. Should we not be in the market for players like Lallana, Caulker or Townsend on that basis?

Think you are correct. it wont be long before they try this, they will use the excuse to improve the England team.
We need our academy to start producing the goods.

I'm not sure how it will improve the England team as they can't impose an "English" quota, it will have to be a home-grown quota to avoid EU labour laws.

laws and European laws don't seem to stop this lot. FFP is against all competition law, but we still have it.

 

[Centurions]

Re: Transfer Policy - English players

Gordon Taylor is already pushing for a 3 homegrown rule as discussed here -> <a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=302962" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=1&t=302962</a>

As I said in that thread, it's the only thing after FFP where they may be able to hurt City. At least until the academy produces players good enough to play an active part in the first team without lowering the quality of the side.

IF this was to come to pass, our best hope is it being delayed several years. We have as much quality English talent in the 14-18 age group as Chelsea or Southampton.

Apologies. Completely missed that thread, but it's exactly what I'm getting at. England's World Cup failure plays right into the reformists hands. I certainly don't think the "attacks" on City will begin and end with FFP. Qualification for the Champions League is far too important financially for the rags and the dippers not to explore every means possible of nobbling the competition in future, and our lack of competitive English players (Hart, Milner, and, er, that's it) is so glaring we might as well have a target painted on us

You forgot Boyata...

 

[Centurions]

Re: Transfer Policy - English players

On the day that we've signed Fernando and Bruno Zuculini, the rags have signed Luke Shaw, and Adam Lallana's having a medical at Candlepool. I think the World Cup constituted fair proof that most English players are overpriced and/or shite, but as an avenue for post FFP attack, are we leaving ourselves wide open by not bidding for English players? The rags, Liverpool and the Arse are awash with them, and I'd be willing to bet they will move heaven and earth never to miss out on the Chimps League again. With Gill established at UEFA and that other rag stooge Dyke in situ at the EPL, the most obvious curve ball they can now throw us is an insistence on, say, at least 4 home grown players starting every game. Should we not be in the market for players like Lallana, Caulker or Townsend on that basis?

I just posted something similar in the rag thread. I was wondering if the rags and Liverpool have instructed someone that we don't know about.

Corrected for you.

 

[Blue Haze]

Re: Transfer Policy - English players

Taylor can say whatever he wants, but I don't think they'll be able to do this.

The minimum they could do is make a requirement about X number of players on the roster. What if your homegrowns get injured? How are you supposed to field 11 men?

 

[sam-caddick]

Re: Transfer Policy - English players

this is also a business not some english national team charity. if they are good enough then we will try to get them and i dont mean just benchwarmers.

I agree.

If the Premier League was run by the FA then the chances are that we would be seeing restricitions such as having 4 homegrown player in a starting XI, but with the Premier League thriving as an independent league and what many believe to be a business then I doubt they would want to force such strict restrictions which could potentially damage the Premier League product, because we all know full well that English talent on a whole is behind that of the foreign talent.

The FA should focus on getting the coaching course prices down which will allow more and more young coaches to be able to develop their knowledge instead of being stopped after a few courses because they can no longer afford to carry on the travelling up the course ladder.

Money into grass roots is key, not forcing clubs to play homegrown players.

 

[Rammyblues]

Re: Transfer Policy - English players

We have been blamed for most things and I suspect again we will be blamed for this, only trouble is it isn't us but our illustrious neighbours who have single handedly over the last decade or so have driven both wages and transfer fees for young English talent through the roof without by or leave from anyone. You only have to look back at the record signings they have made. Yes they may have been the wealthiest club and able to afford it but just like Bayern in Germany they have literally hoovered up players.

eg Rooney close to 30m, Ferdinand 27m, and now Shaw 18 year old right back for fucks sake 30m +

It really would be nice if for once the media could give them a tongue lashing over their policy. Unfortunately the transfer market has no limitations other than FFP and although these regs were meant to cool the market they have in fact done the opposite and inflated it.

Personally if we win a premier league title made up completely of foreign players even though some might come through our academy as homegrown I just don't give a stuff.

 

[bowieboots]

Re: Transfer Policy - English players

Do we have a quota for non EU players, if so what happens if the UK leaves the EU as that may be a possibility in the near future. Would that mean we would have to buy more home grown players?